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Copyright status

  • Posted by: Vaarky 06:00, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
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Here's my non-attorney understanding:

  • Davies was a British composer who died in 1941.
  • Under UK law, the work was under copyright for Life + 50 years max, so max to 1991. See UK law summary.
  • Under US law, a work is in the public domain if it was published outside the U.S. between 1923 and 1977 and was in the public domain in its home country as of January 1, 1996, if they did not comply with U.S. copyright formalities. See chart of US copyright guidelines.
  • We don't know whether the work was copyrighted under US formalities or not, but I think chances are high that it was not. Let's ask what the uploader can tell us, since they may see indication on the work itself or otherwise be in a better position to know, and have in fact represented that it's not violating copyright.
Vaarky, don't you mean life plus 70 years for UK law? In which case, Walford Davies' works will be public domain in 2011... --Bobnotts talk 21:55, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Reply by: Vaarky 05:33, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

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Oops, yes, that's what I should have said. Sorry for the brain-o (can't really call it a typo). I agree with deleting it and letting the uploader know we had to take this measure but asking them to let us know if they had some kind of special permission. Shall I go ahead and do that or would someone else like to? I'll plan to do that this weekend unless I hear otherwise in the meanwhile.

I suggest the opposite approach actually, Vaarky. Since we're not sure whether this is public domain or not, the uploader should be contacted before taking any action. There are many other Walford Davies scores on CPDL so it could be that this is pd. If it isn't or if the uploader doesn't reply within a given period, eg. a week, then we should delete it if we have sufficient doubt in our minds that it is not pd. --Bobnotts talk 12:35, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Reply by: Vaarky 07:33, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

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Agreed. I've posted to his talk page. I would have liked to send e-mail, but I don't see the usual Email This User link on the left side of the user's talk page the way it exists on my own. I checkied User_talk:Christopher_Braginetz and User:Gacb. Is this because they haven't provided an e-mail address or haven't verified one?

The user has indeed provided an email address - the link is available on the toolbox on this page. --Bobnotts talk 08:43, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks--he contacted me by e-mail. His understanding was that it had already passed into PD under Canadian law.
The e-mail address option doesn't show up without redirect=no. Isn't it our practice to create such name-related redirects pretty commonly? Can we come up with a way that makes the e-mail link visible in the toolbox as though viewing the pages under redirect=no? -- Vaarky 15:37, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes, it's common practice to have editors' real names as the titles of their user pages, rather than their usernames. The talk page should redirect to their username talk since users can be automatically informed by email if their username talk page is edited. I suspect that it would be very difficult (maybe impossible) to make the email link visible on an editor's real name user page toolbox since it's so firmly centered around how the wiki software works. You could always raise it with Carlos or Max if you wish. --Bobnotts talk 16:00, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Decision: Delete. Discussion archived.