Talk:This joyful Eastertide (Anonymous)

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This page and This joyful Easter-tide (G. R. Woodward) seem to have the same music but the latter has the lyricist's name in the title, rather than the source of the tune, "Tune:East­er-Tide, from Da­vid's Psalm­en (Am­ster­dam, Hol­land: 1685)" according to CyberHymnal. So should the "composer" name in the title be "Wood" or "Da­vid's Psalm­en"? --Bobnotts talk 01:36, 9 January 2008 (PST)

It seems that the music comes from a 17th century Dutch Psalm book, which should give us an "Anonymous" composer, and it was arranged by Charles Wood. (I have no idea where this leaves the editors quoted in the two pages.) I would make the necessary changes if the Administrators agree. giulia tonelli 20:18, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

  • Merge I support merging under Anonymous. If arranger Charles Wood and the lyricist are mentioned on the page, a search will still find it. --Vaarky 23:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Merge complete. --Bobnotts talk 20:29, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
On this work's page Woodward appears as the Lyricist, but on his page he is shown as the composer of the tunes, is that correct? Did he compose any music? Otherwise I'd suggest that his page be converted into a Lyricist's page. And which name should be used: with two initials, only middle initial or complete name? Whichever form be chosen, the others could well be created as redirects to it. —Carlos Email.gif 06:38, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

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I've done some checking on this. According to The Hymnal 1982, the hymn tune is called Vruechten from Psalmen, 1865 and harmonized by Charles Wood. Both editions on this page are the Wood harmonization. Woodward and Wood co-edited:

  • The Cow­ley Car­ol Book, 1901-1919
  • Songs of Sy­on, 1904-1910
  • The Cam­bridge Car­ol Book
  • An Italian Car­ol Book (Lon­don: The Faith Press, Ltd. 1920)

Woodward also published a new edition of the 1592 Piae Cantiones in 1910.

The only music which Cyberhmnal lists by Woodward is Puer nobis nascetur - the other works being either translations or original lyrics. Since I trust the Anglican scholarship on this issue, I think that this page should be moved to This joyful Eastertide (Charles Wood) and the work listed/linked on Charles Wood, since that represents the original (and, to the best of my knowledge, only) appearance of the hymn as music ... we list many "Bach chorales" for tunes he did not compose, so why should we not list "Wood works"? (Sorry for the pun!) Other works on the G. R. Woodward page should be similarly reexamined on a case-by-case basis, since some may require deeper investigation.

Agree - thanks for researching this, Chuck. --Bobnotts talk 22:58, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Agree - ditto. --Vaarky 05:39, 25 February 2009 (UTC)