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:See the editorial notes prefaced to Philip Legge's edition of the work, which contain a detailed discussion of this aspect. The issue is not clear-cut, because Striggio uses the voices in various groupings in the course of the work (unlike in the related Mass). [[User:Mick Swithinbank|Mick Swithinbank]] ([[User talk:Mick Swithinbank|talk]]) 09:42, 16 September 2019 (UTC) Mick Swithinbank
:See the editorial notes prefaced to Philip Legge's edition of the work, which contain a detailed discussion of this aspect. The issue is not clear-cut, because Striggio uses the voices in various groupings in the course of the work (unlike in the related Mass). [[User:Mick Swithinbank|Mick Swithinbank]] ([[User talk:Mick Swithinbank|talk]]) 09:42, 16 September 2019 (UTC) Mick Swithinbank


::Thanks for the preface pointer! Philip Legge seems based on Sabine Cassola, and the last part of  "This motet had variously been described as being composed of 4 choirs (of varying sizes between 6 and 16 voices), or 10 choirs of 4 voices" makes one wonder whether the 40th voice is labeled (either here or perhaps only in mass?) 'basso, coro X' instead of 'basso II, coro V'. Having chased down the  Fenlon and Keyte article (''Memorialls of Great Skill: A Tale of Five Cities'', Early Music Vol. 8, No. 3 (Jul., 1980), pp. 329-334) it seems it was in fact labeled either "XXXX" or "No. 40", and that the contemporary 4 choir description was based, blurriness aside, on the initial entrances of 8, 10, 16 & 6 vv.. [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 21:32, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
::Thanks for the preface pointer! Philip Legge seems to follow Sabine Cassola, and the last part of  "This motet had variously been described as being composed of 4 choirs (of varying sizes between 6 and 16 voices), or 10 choirs of 4 voices" makes one wonder whether the 40th voice is labeled (either here or perhaps only in mass?) 'basso, coro X' instead of 'basso II, coro V'. Having chased down the  Fenlon and Keyte article (''Memorialls of Great Skill: A Tale of Five Cities'', Early Music Vol. 8, No. 3 (Jul., 1980), pp. 329-334) it seems it was in fact labeled either "XXXX" or "No. 40", and that the contemporary 4 choir description was based, blurriness aside, on the initial entrances of 8, 10, 16 & 6 vv.. [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 21:32, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
:::The ''Missa sopra Ecco sì beato giorno, in cinque Corri divisa'' is discussed at length in Davitt Moroney: ''Alessandro Striggio's Mass in Forty and Sixty Parts'' (Journal of the American Musicological Society, Vol. 60, No. 1 (Spring 2007), pp. 1-70). The clefs are identical to the motet, and grouped into combinations of high and low cleffed 4ttes: hl.hh.hl.hh.hl [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 21:52, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
:::The ''Missa sopra Ecco sì beato giorno, in cinque Corri divisa'' is discussed at length in Davitt Moroney: ''Alessandro Striggio's Mass in Forty and Sixty Parts'' (Journal of the American Musicological Society, Vol. 60, No. 1 (Spring 2007), pp. 1-70). The clefs are identical to the motet, and grouped into combinations of high and low cleffed 4ttes: hl.hh.hl.hh.hl [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 21:52, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 21:53, 16 September 2019

SATB.SATB..SATB.SATB..SATB.SATB..SATB.SATB..SATB.SATB???

I don't have a mental picture of the source material: why do the editions here lay out the choirs SATBSATB instead of SSAATTBB, as I think I hear it? Richard Mix (talk) 05:26, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

See the editorial notes prefaced to Philip Legge's edition of the work, which contain a detailed discussion of this aspect. The issue is not clear-cut, because Striggio uses the voices in various groupings in the course of the work (unlike in the related Mass). Mick Swithinbank (talk) 09:42, 16 September 2019 (UTC) Mick Swithinbank
Thanks for the preface pointer! Philip Legge seems to follow Sabine Cassola, and the last part of "This motet had variously been described as being composed of 4 choirs (of varying sizes between 6 and 16 voices), or 10 choirs of 4 voices" makes one wonder whether the 40th voice is labeled (either here or perhaps only in mass?) 'basso, coro X' instead of 'basso II, coro V'. Having chased down the Fenlon and Keyte article (Memorialls of Great Skill: A Tale of Five Cities, Early Music Vol. 8, No. 3 (Jul., 1980), pp. 329-334) it seems it was in fact labeled either "XXXX" or "No. 40", and that the contemporary 4 choir description was based, blurriness aside, on the initial entrances of 8, 10, 16 & 6 vv.. Richard Mix (talk) 21:32, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
The Missa sopra Ecco sì beato giorno, in cinque Corri divisa is discussed at length in Davitt Moroney: Alessandro Striggio's Mass in Forty and Sixty Parts (Journal of the American Musicological Society, Vol. 60, No. 1 (Spring 2007), pp. 1-70). The clefs are identical to the motet, and grouped into combinations of high and low cleffed 4ttes: hl.hh.hl.hh.hl Richard Mix (talk) 21:52, 16 September 2019 (UTC)