Talk:Lamentationes Jeremiae Prophetae (Francesco Durante)

Jerusalem Convertere : possible errors in score #62100

The partition comes from a manuscript in Bayerische Staatsbibliothek, Munich, that is on imslp (thank you for this work). It seems that there are some errors in this manuscrit, at least according to versions sung on youtube and to these two manuscripts on Gallica :

• https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b100705445
• https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8585577b/ (rest of the score here https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8585578r/

(and also because of sometimes weird harmony).

Here are what we notice (most of them detected by my choirmaster), from page 51 of the score :

1. bar 13  : Alto part - 3rd beat: "G" in place of "C" (Sol / Do)
2. bars 14-16 : Sopr part - text : only one convertere, replace "te-re con-ver-te-re" by hyphens
3. bars 28-30 : Alto part - text : the same
4. bars 33-35 : Sopr part - text : the same
5. bar 33  : Sopr part - 3rd beat : "A" in place of "C" (La / Do)
6. bars 39-40 : Sopr and Alto parts : divide the whole note of bar 39 a in two half notes, set "ver-" on the second half note, not bar 40 (S. and A.)
7. bars 41-42 : Sopr and Alto parts - text : "Je-ru-sa-lem" in place of the first "con-ver-te-re"
8. bar 44  : Alto - 3rd beat : B in place of A (Si / La) (quarter note)
9. bar 51  : Bass - 3rd beat : G in place of F (Sol / Fa) (quarter note)
10. bar 64  : Ten - 1st beat  : C natural not # (Do naturel / Do #)
11. bar 64  : B.c. - 1st beat  : C in place of D (Do / Ré)

I donnot check the instrumental parts. Pr (talk) 18:05, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Further checks on this work

I had the opportunity to compare the vocal parts of the edition available here at CPDL [CPDL] with a choral score (no instrumental parts) published by Philippe Caillard (catalogue number X 231) [PC], and then I checked the differences against the manuscript score available at IMSLP [IMSLP]. These are my findings.

Incipit oratio Jeremiae prophetae

Soprano, bar 77: the first two notes (dotted crotchet and quaver) are C in [PC] and [IMSLP], B in [CPDL].

Soprano, bar 95 and alto, bar 100: text is “versa” in [PC] and [IMSLP], “versas” in [CPDL].

Soprano and alto, bar 107: syllables are anticipated by one quarter in [PC], while they are placed one quarter later in [CPDL] and [IMSLP].

Alto, bar 33: the last but three note (semiquaver) is B natural in [PC], B flat (due to the key signature) in [CPDL]. In [IMSLP] the situation is not completely clear, as something seems canceled nearby the notes.

Alto, bar 67: the second note (crotchet) is A flat in [PC] and [IMSLP], E (flat) in [CPDL].

Alto, bar, bar 85: the word “nostrum” is repeated in [CPDL] and [IMSLP], not in [PC].

Tenor, bar 61: the syllable “Re” is placed on the second note (quaver, E flat) in [PC] and [IMSLP], on the first note (crotched, D) in [CPDL].

Tenor, bar 67: the second note (quaver) is F natural in [PC] and [IMSLP], F sharp in [CPDL]

(to be completed with the other movements - sorry, the list is quite long)

The training aids available at Choralia follow the variations highlighted in bold above. Choralia (talk) 19:06, 16 March 2024 (UTC)