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== testing tables for translation ==
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== Why doesn't the composer's given name show? ==
==MultiCatLIst==
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{{MultiCatList|Sacred music|SSAATTBB|not=Modern music}}
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Chuck posted in the forums:
One way might be to provide a bare bones multicategory search that allows searches of the form


I've commented out the detail to save space. Summary: du Caurroy does not appear under D in composers section because lowercase d is sorted after capital Z. Includes how to fix.
(category:11 OR ... OR Category:1n)
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{{ItemPost|by=[[User:Vaarky|Vaarky]] 05:19, 31 July 2008 (PDT)|text=
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This is my first time using the request feature. Any idea why the composer's given name Eustache does not show up even though I input it? Did I mess up the formatting? Also, do things show up immediately on the Requests page or does it get indexed in batches? Tx.
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:Hi Vaarky. Thanks for creating this request. I've moved your message here and I've just fixed [[ChoralWiki:ScoreRequest]] which was causing the composer's first name to not display. I don't know why clicking on the discussion tab takes you to the (as yet uncreated) score page for the request, a question that I have posed to [[User talk:CHGiffen#Score requests|Chuck]]. The request page should appear in the category soon after it has been created. If you're referring to [[ChoralWiki/Requested articles|this request list]], it won't be added to that page as it is out of date and will be deleted in the fullness of time... Let me know if you have any other problems. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 07:16, 31 July 2008 (PDT)
::Thanks for fixing that. It was the [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Requests_by_composer&from=C|"Requests_by_composer"] page where I did not see the piece listed (that page also covers composers starting with the letter D). --[[User:Vaarky|Vaarky]] 07:47, 31 July 2008 (PDT)


:::Hi Vaarky, because of the wiki's distinction between lower and upper case, ''du Caurroy'' is sorted differently from ''Du Caurroy''. Look again in [[:Category:Requests by composer]] and you'll find your request ''after'' letter Z. A solution for this could be to add in your request page the following:
easy enough to write the generic DPL code: each line is of the form: category=i1 | ... | category=in (each line like this does the "OR" part),
:::<tt><nowiki>[[Category:Requests by composer|Du Caurroy, Eustache]]</nowiki></tt>.  
and each separate line corresponds to "AND".
:::Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Carlos http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/skins/monobook/mail_icon.gif] 14:22, 31 July 2008 (PDT)
::::Thanks--added category to that piece and also the 3 others there: Gesualdo, Padilla and De La Rue. --[[User:Vaarky|Vaarky]] 16:23, 31 July 2008 (PDT)
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==Latin psalms reference==
==Composers not using SortWorks==
See commented text.
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In [[Talk:Psalm_45]], Carlos wrote:
category=Composers
::Vaarky, these two online bibles below can also be used as references besides the one suggested by Max, which is a modern (1969) edition. Most of the works found at CPDL will follow one of these two versions, which were the ones available at the time the works were composed: [http://www.newadvent.org/bible/psa044.htm Clementine Vulgate] — [http://www.bibliacatolica.com.br/09/21/44.php Stuttgart Vulgate]
notcategory=Pages using SortWorks
::Here is an excerpt from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulgate_Bible Wikipedia] to make things clearer:
resultsheader=%TOTALPAGES% composer pages found
:::''The title “Vulgate” is currently applied to three distinct online texts which can be found from various sources on the Internet. Which text is used can be ascertained from the spelling of Eve’s name in Genesis 3:20.''
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:::* '''''Heva:''' the Clementine Vulgate, the official Latin Bible of the Roman Catholic Church from 1592 to 1979.''
 
:::* '''''Hava:''' the Stuttgart edition of the Vulgate. This edition seeks to recover a text as close as possible to that of early manuscripts, especially in respect of the removal of many interpolated readings that found their way into the Clementine Vulgate.''
==Sight-Singing Difficulty Index==
:::* '''''Eva:''' the Nova Vulgata, the official Latin Bible of the Roman Catholic Church since 1979. Amended and modified; it is in some passages more a new version rather than a revision.''
 
::Hope it helps!
 
::P.S.: Just complementing, I am of the opinion that we shoud offer both Clementine and Stuttgart versions at CPDL.
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::—[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[http://choralwiki.net/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Carlos http://choralwiki.net/wiki/images/6/66/Email.gif] 23:17, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
|-
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! Level
! Description of sight-singing difficulty<br>under non-adverse conditions
! Renaissance example
! Modern example
! Other example
|-
|align=right| ''1. &nbsp;
| not difficult for average school choir grades 7-12
| [[Ave Maria...virgo serena (Josquin des Prez)]]
|
|[[Ave verum corpus, KV 618 (Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart)]]
|-
|align=right| ''2. &nbsp;
| intermediate
|[[Improperium expectavit cor meum (Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina)]]
|
|[[Locus iste (Anton Bruckner)]]
|-
|align=right| ''3. &nbsp;
| professional: most professional church subs can perform it correctly on first reading
|[[Loquebantur variis linguis (Thomas Tallis)]]
|
|
|-
|align=right| ''4. &nbsp;
| advanced: a good number of professionals won't get it right on the first try
|most pieces in the [[Eton Choirbook]], various pieces by [[Gesualdo]]
|
|
|-
|align=right| ''5. &nbsp;
|expert: tricky intrevals (e.g. Modus Novus) or rhythms that would require practice before most advanced sight-singers to get it right
|Davy, O Domine Caeli Terraeque Creator<BR>from the [[Eton Choirbook]]
|
|
|-
 
==[[William Mundy]]: Latin pieces I've sung==
 
NOT SUNG:<BR>
* Mass upon the Square (sang the Gloria, not the other movements)
* In exitu Israel (collaboration with Sheppard and Thomas Birde, from the Gyffard partbooks)
* In nomine I and II (EECM.net does not have it, but my local library apparently does--is that by William or John Mundy?)
* Kyrie Orbis factor (from the Gyffard partbooks)
* Magnificat (alternatim 2nd tone from the Gyffard partbooks)
* Sermone blando
* Veni Creator spiritus (see Coronation of the First Elizabeth recording and song listing)
* Videte Miraculum
 
SUNG:<BR>
* Adhaesit pavimento
* Adolescentulus sum ego
* Alleluya (Per te dei genitrix) I & II (from the Gyffard partbooks)
* Alleluya Post partem (from the Gyffard partbooks)
* Beati immaculati
* Beatus et sanctus
* Domine, non est exaltatum
* Domine, quis habitabit
* Eructavit cor meum
* Exurge Christe
* In Aeternum (reconstructed)
* Kyrie Cunctipotens genitor
* Maria virgo sanctissima
* Mass on the Square, Gloria
* Memor esto
* Noli aemulari
* Rerum Creator omnium
* Sive vigilem
* Vox Patris Caelestis
 
==[[Eton Choirbook]]==
Just got volume 2 of the Eton choirbook!
 


== Latin text request old style ==
#Banester, [[O Maria et Elizabeth (Gilbert Banester)]] (5vv)
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#Browne, [[Stabat juxta Christi crucem (John Browne)]] (6vv)
#SUNG: Browne, [[Salve Regina I (John Browne)]] (5vv)
#Browne, [[Salve Regina II (John Browne)]] (5vv)
#Browne, [[O Regina mundi clara (John Browne)]] (6vv)
#Cornysh, [[Magnificat (William Cornysh)]] (5vv)--Is this the one I sang that requires TT&BB?
#Cornysh, [[Stabat mater dolorosa II (William Cornysh)]] (5vv)
#Cornysh, [[Salve Regina (William Cornysh)]] (5vv)
#Cornysh, [[Ad te purissima virgo (William Cornysh)]] (5vv)
#Davy, [[Stabat mater dolorosa (Richard Davy)]] (5vv)
#Davy, [[Virgo templum Trinitas (Richard Davy)]] (5vv)
#Davy, [[Salve Jesu Mater vera (Richard Davy)]] (5vv)
#Davy, [[Salve Regina (Richard Davy)]] (5vv) | [[Request:Salve_Regina_(Richard_Davy)]]
#Davy, [[Salve Regina a6 (Richard Davy)]] (6vv) | [[Request:Salve_Regina_(Richard_Davy)]]
#Davy, [[O Domine caeli terraeque (Richard Davy)]] (5vv)
#Fawkyner, [[Gaude virgo salutata (Fawkyner)]] (5vv)
#Fawkyner, [[Gaude rosa sine spina (Fawkyner)]] (5vv)
#Horwud, [[Salve Regina (William Horwud)]] (5vv)
#Horwud, [[Gaude flore virginali (William Horwud)]] (5vv)
#Horwud, [[Gaude virgo Mater Christi (William Horwud)]] (5vv)
#Horwud, [[Magnificat (William Horwud)]] (5vv)
#Hygons, [[Salve Regina (Richard Hygons)]] (5vv)
#Kellyk, [[Magnificat (Hugh Kellyk)]] (5vv)
#Lambe, [[Magnificat (Walter Lambe)]] (5vv) | [[Request:Magnificat_(Walter_Lambe)]]
#Lambe, [[O Regina caelestis gloriae II (Walter Lambe)]] (5vv) | [[Request:O_Regina_caelestis_gloriae_II_(Walter_Lambe)]]
#Lambe, [[O Maria plena gratia (Walter Lambe)]] (6vv) | [[Request:O_Maria_plena_gratia_(Walter_Lambe)]]
#Lambe, [[Salve Regina (Walter Lambe)]] (5vv)| [[Request:Salve_Regina_(Walter_Lambe)]]
#Nesbett, [[Magnificat (John Nesbett)]]* (5vv)
#Stratford, [[Magnificat (William of Stratford)]] (4vv)
#Sturton, [[Gaude virgo mater Christi (Sturton)]] (6vv)
#Wylkynson, [[Salve Regina II (Robert Wylkynson)]] (5vv)
#Wylkynson, [[Jesus autem transiens/Credo in Deum (Robert Wylkynson)]] (13vv)
#Wylkynson, [[Salve Regina I (Robert Wylkynson)]] (9vv)
#SUNG: Browne, [[O Maria salvatoris Mater (John Browne)]] (8vv)
#SUNG: Browne, [[Stabat virgo Mater Christi II (John Browne)]] (4vv)
#SUNG: Browne, [[Stabat Mater dolorosa (John Browne)]] (6vv)
#SUNG: Browne, one of the SATTB Salve Reginas--which one?
#SUNG: Browne, ''O Mater venerabilis (John Browne)'' (5vv)
#SUNG: Cornysh, [[Gaude virgo Mater Christi (William Cornysh)]] (4vv)
#SUNG: Cornysh, [[Ave Maria Mater Dei (William Cornysh)]] (4vv)
#SUNG: Davy, [[In honore summae Matris (Richard Davy)]] (5vv)
#SUNG: Fayrfax, [[Salve Regina (Robert Fayrfax)]] (5vv)
#SUNG: Fayrfax, [[Magnificat 'Regale' (Robert Fayrfax)]]* (5vv)
#SUNG: Hacomplaynt, [[Salve Regina (Robert Hacomplaynt)]] (5vv)
#SUNG: Hampton, [[Salve Regina (John Hampton)]] (5vv)
#SUNG: Huchyn, [[Salve Regina (Nicholas Huchyn)]] (5vv)
#SUNG: Kellyk, [[Gaude flore virginali (Hugh Kellyk)]] (7vv)
#SUNG: Lambe, [[Stella caeli (Walter Lambe)]] (4vv)
#SUNG: Lambe, [[Nesciens mater (Walter Lambe)]] (5vv)
#SUNG: Lambe, [[Gaude flore virginali II (Walter Lambe)]] (4vv)
#SUNG: Lambe, [[Ascendit Christus (Walter Lambe)]] (4vv)
#SUNG: Sutton, [[Salve Regina (John Sutton)]] (7vv)
#SUNG: Turges, [[Gaude flore virginali I (Edmund Turges)]] (5vv)
#SUNG: Turges, [[Gaude flore virginali II (Edmund Turges)]] (4vv)
<!--not intact: #''Gaude virgo salutata (Holyngborne)'' (4vv)<br>-->
<!--not intact: #''Gaude flore virginali (Richard Davy)'' (6vv)<br>-->
<!--not intact: #''O Regina caelestis gloria I (Walter Lambe)'' (6vv)<br>-->
<!--not intact: #''Stabat virgo Mater Christi I (John Browne)''(6vv)<br>-->
<!--not intact: #''O virgo prudentissima (Robert Wylkynson)'' (6vv)<br>-->
<!--lost: #Gaude flore virginali (Robert Wylkynson) (6vv)<br>-->
<!--lost: #Salve regina vas mundicie (Fawkyner) (6vv)<br>-->
<!--not intact: #''Gaude flore virginali (William Cornysh)'' (6vv)<br>-->
<!--not intact: #''Salve Regina (William Brygeman)'' (5vv)<br>-->
<!--lost: #Gaude flore virginali I (Walter Lambe) (5vv)<br>-->
<!--lost: #Virgo gaude gloriosa (Walter Lambe) (5vv)<br>-->
<!--lost: #Stabat mater dolorosa (Robert Fayrfax) (5vv)<br>-->
<!--lost: #Ave cujus concepcio (Robert Fayrfax) (5vv)<br>-->
<!--lost: #Quid cantemus innocentes (Robert Fayrfax) (5vv)<br>-->
<!--lost: #Gaude flore virginali (John Dunstaple) (5vv)<br>-->
<!--lost: #Ave lux totius mundi (John Browne) (5vv)<br>-->
<!--lost: #Gaude flore virginali (John Browne) (5vv)<br>-->
<!--not intact: #''Stabat mater dolorosa I (William Cornysh)'' (5vv)<br>-->
<!--not intact: #''Salve decus castitatis (Robert Wylkynson)'' (5vv)<br>-->
<!--not intact: #''Ascendit Christus (Nicholas Huchyn)'' (5vv)<br>-->
<!--not intact: #''Ave lumen gracie (Robert Fayrfax)'' (4vv)<br>-->
<!--lost: #O virgo virginum (Walter Lambe) (4vv)<br>-->
<!--not intact: #''Gaude virgo mater Christi (Robert Wylkynson) (4vv)''<br>-->
<!--lost: #Magnificat I (John Browne) (7vv)<br>-->
<!--not intact: #''Magnificat I (Richard Davy)'' (4vv)<br>-->
<!--lost: #Magnificat II (John Browne) (5vv)<br>-->
<!--lost: #Magnificat (William Brygeman) (5vv)<br>-->
<!--lost: #Magnificat I (Robert Wylkynson) (5vv)<br>-->
<!--lost: #Magnificat II (Robert Mychelson) (5vv)<br>-->
<!--not intact: #''Magnificat (Robert Wylkynson)'' (6vv)<br>-->
<!--lost: #Magnificat III (John Browne) (5vv)<br>-->
<!--not intact: #''Magnificat I (John Sygar)'' (4vv)<br>-->
<!--lost: #Magnificat IV (John Browne) (4vv)<br>-->
<!--lost: #Magnificat I (Edmund Turges) (4vv)<br>-->
<!--lost: #Magnificat II (Edmund Turges) (4vv)<br>-->
<!--lost: #Magnificat I (John Baldwyn) (4vv)<br>-->
<!--lost: #Magnificat II (John Sygar) (4vv)<br>-->
<!--lost: #Magnificat II (John Baldwyn) (4vv)<br>-->
<!--lost: #Magnificat III (Edmund Turges) (4vv)<br>-->
<!--not intact: #''Magnificat II (Richard Davy)'' (5vv)<br>-->
<!--not intact: #''Passio Domini in ramis palmarum (Richard Davy)'' (4vv)<br>-->

Latest revision as of 14:20, 19 April 2016

I've commented out items to save space.

MultiCatLIst

Composers not using SortWorks

313 composer pages found

Sight-Singing Difficulty Index

William Mundy: Latin pieces I've sung

NOT SUNG:

  • Mass upon the Square (sang the Gloria, not the other movements)
  • In exitu Israel (collaboration with Sheppard and Thomas Birde, from the Gyffard partbooks)
  • In nomine I and II (EECM.net does not have it, but my local library apparently does--is that by William or John Mundy?)
  • Kyrie Orbis factor (from the Gyffard partbooks)
  • Magnificat (alternatim 2nd tone from the Gyffard partbooks)
  • Sermone blando
  • Veni Creator spiritus (see Coronation of the First Elizabeth recording and song listing)
  • Videte Miraculum

SUNG:

  • Adhaesit pavimento
  • Adolescentulus sum ego
  • Alleluya (Per te dei genitrix) I & II (from the Gyffard partbooks)
  • Alleluya Post partem (from the Gyffard partbooks)
  • Beati immaculati
  • Beatus et sanctus
  • Domine, non est exaltatum
  • Domine, quis habitabit
  • Eructavit cor meum
  • Exurge Christe
  • In Aeternum (reconstructed)
  • Kyrie Cunctipotens genitor
  • Maria virgo sanctissima
  • Mass on the Square, Gloria
  • Memor esto
  • Noli aemulari
  • Rerum Creator omnium
  • Sive vigilem
  • Vox Patris Caelestis

Eton Choirbook

Just got volume 2 of the Eton choirbook!


  1. Banester, O Maria et Elizabeth (Gilbert Banester) (5vv)
  2. Browne, Stabat juxta Christi crucem (John Browne) (6vv)
  3. SUNG: Browne, Salve Regina I (John Browne) (5vv)
  4. Browne, Salve Regina II (John Browne) (5vv)
  5. Browne, O Regina mundi clara (John Browne) (6vv)
  6. Cornysh, Magnificat (William Cornysh) (5vv)--Is this the one I sang that requires TT&BB?
  7. Cornysh, Stabat mater dolorosa II (William Cornysh) (5vv)
  8. Cornysh, Salve Regina (William Cornysh) (5vv)
  9. Cornysh, Ad te purissima virgo (William Cornysh) (5vv)
  10. Davy, Stabat mater dolorosa (Richard Davy) (5vv)
  11. Davy, Virgo templum Trinitas (Richard Davy) (5vv)
  12. Davy, Salve Jesu Mater vera (Richard Davy) (5vv)
  13. Davy, Salve Regina (Richard Davy) (5vv) | Request:Salve_Regina_(Richard_Davy)
  14. Davy, Salve Regina a6 (Richard Davy) (6vv) | Request:Salve_Regina_(Richard_Davy)
  15. Davy, O Domine caeli terraeque (Richard Davy) (5vv)
  16. Fawkyner, Gaude virgo salutata (Fawkyner) (5vv)
  17. Fawkyner, Gaude rosa sine spina (Fawkyner) (5vv)
  18. Horwud, Salve Regina (William Horwud) (5vv)
  19. Horwud, Gaude flore virginali (William Horwud) (5vv)
  20. Horwud, Gaude virgo Mater Christi (William Horwud) (5vv)
  21. Horwud, Magnificat (William Horwud) (5vv)
  22. Hygons, Salve Regina (Richard Hygons) (5vv)
  23. Kellyk, Magnificat (Hugh Kellyk) (5vv)
  24. Lambe, Magnificat (Walter Lambe) (5vv) | Request:Magnificat_(Walter_Lambe)
  25. Lambe, O Regina caelestis gloriae II (Walter Lambe) (5vv) | Request:O_Regina_caelestis_gloriae_II_(Walter_Lambe)
  26. Lambe, O Maria plena gratia (Walter Lambe) (6vv) | Request:O_Maria_plena_gratia_(Walter_Lambe)
  27. Lambe, Salve Regina (Walter Lambe) (5vv)| Request:Salve_Regina_(Walter_Lambe)
  28. Nesbett, Magnificat (John Nesbett)* (5vv)
  29. Stratford, Magnificat (William of Stratford) (4vv)
  30. Sturton, Gaude virgo mater Christi (Sturton) (6vv)
  31. Wylkynson, Salve Regina II (Robert Wylkynson) (5vv)
  32. Wylkynson, Jesus autem transiens/Credo in Deum (Robert Wylkynson) (13vv)
  33. Wylkynson, Salve Regina I (Robert Wylkynson) (9vv)
  34. SUNG: Browne, O Maria salvatoris Mater (John Browne) (8vv)
  35. SUNG: Browne, Stabat virgo Mater Christi II (John Browne) (4vv)
  36. SUNG: Browne, Stabat Mater dolorosa (John Browne) (6vv)
  37. SUNG: Browne, one of the SATTB Salve Reginas--which one?
  38. SUNG: Browne, O Mater venerabilis (John Browne) (5vv)
  39. SUNG: Cornysh, Gaude virgo Mater Christi (William Cornysh) (4vv)
  40. SUNG: Cornysh, Ave Maria Mater Dei (William Cornysh) (4vv)
  41. SUNG: Davy, In honore summae Matris (Richard Davy) (5vv)
  42. SUNG: Fayrfax, Salve Regina (Robert Fayrfax) (5vv)
  43. SUNG: Fayrfax, Magnificat 'Regale' (Robert Fayrfax)* (5vv)
  44. SUNG: Hacomplaynt, Salve Regina (Robert Hacomplaynt) (5vv)
  45. SUNG: Hampton, Salve Regina (John Hampton) (5vv)
  46. SUNG: Huchyn, Salve Regina (Nicholas Huchyn) (5vv)
  47. SUNG: Kellyk, Gaude flore virginali (Hugh Kellyk) (7vv)
  48. SUNG: Lambe, Stella caeli (Walter Lambe) (4vv)
  49. SUNG: Lambe, Nesciens mater (Walter Lambe) (5vv)
  50. SUNG: Lambe, Gaude flore virginali II (Walter Lambe) (4vv)
  51. SUNG: Lambe, Ascendit Christus (Walter Lambe) (4vv)
  52. SUNG: Sutton, Salve Regina (John Sutton) (7vv)
  53. SUNG: Turges, Gaude flore virginali I (Edmund Turges) (5vv)
  54. SUNG: Turges, Gaude flore virginali II (Edmund Turges) (4vv)
Level Description of sight-singing difficulty
under non-adverse conditions 		Renaissance example Modern example Other example
1.   not difficult for average school choir grades 7-12 Ave Maria...virgo serena (Josquin des Prez) Ave verum corpus, KV 618 (Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart)
2.   intermediate Improperium expectavit cor meum (Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina) Locus iste (Anton Bruckner)
3.   professional: most professional church subs can perform it correctly on first reading Loquebantur variis linguis (Thomas Tallis)
4.   advanced: a good number of professionals won't get it right on the first try most pieces in the Eton Choirbook, various pieces by Gesualdo
5.   expert: tricky intrevals (e.g. Modus Novus) or rhythms that would require practice before most advanced sight-singers to get it right Davy, O Domine Caeli Terraeque Creator
from the Eton Choirbook
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