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== check me on user page redirects? ==
== Add New Work form – Instruments ==


Hi, Carlos--<br>
Hi Carlos, A few minutes ago I used the Add New Work form to create [[Sharon (James P. Carrell)]]. Since it is an ''a cappella'' work, I entered that in the Instruments blank. But when I got to the page, there was an error message across the top, about a missing ) in a Multireplace.php program. The page was created correctly, except Instruments was blank. I tried inserting ''A cappella'' in the Instruments template, but it didn't work, I got the same message. I managed to get around it by typing <tt><noWiki>'''Instruments:'''{{Acap}}</noWiki></tt>, which gave the same result, it appears (the page was added to Category:A cappella). By the way, I looked at Template:Instruments and noticed that it was editable by me; it should be protected, right? (I did not edit it). Anyway, I thought you should know that this happened. Best to you — [[User:Bcjohnston523|Barry Johnston]] [[User talk:Bcjohnston523|(talk)]] 04:52, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
I'm going through trying to help catch up score adding, and I've gotten rusty. I think I understand correctly that:
:Hi Barry, thanks for informing me of this. The problem with [[template: Instruments]] seems to be gone, it was just a test by Richard Mix that didn't work out as expected. Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 17:50, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
* the talk page for the full-name version redirects to the talk page for the real, abbreviated userID
* the main page for the real, abbreviated userID redirects to the page with the full name in the user space


However, I'm less confident I did the right thing about redirecting the full name version in User: space and Composer space. Whenever you have a chance, could you mind checking [[User:Alexander_Ertl]]? Tx. -- [[User:Vaarky|Vaarky]] 18:39, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
== Monteverdi Magnificat Secondo edition ==


:Hi Vaarky, sorry for the delayed reply; just checked the redirects and they seem to be all right! —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 03:44, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi Carlos: After a long period of neglect, someone reminded me that my edition of the Monteverdi Magnificat Secondo is missing a verse. Its CPDL number is 26082.
I have tried today to upload a complete version--but each time I've tried, the result is still incomplete--on CPDL, that is, but not on my computer.
The initial correct upload is


::Thanks! --[[User:Vaarky|Vaarky]] 08:44, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
What might I be doing wrong?


== Hand-written scores suitable for inclusion? ==
Thanks.


Hi Carlos. You added an overlooked edition of [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Thanks_Be_to_God_%28No._20_from_%27Elijah%27%29_%28Felix_Mendelssohn%29&diff=225879&oldid=215835 Mendelssohn's ''Thanks be to God''] a couple of days ago. As you're no doubt aware, the PDF is a scan of hand-written sol-fa notation and because of this, I don't think we should be hosting this "edition". In the context of CPDL, the word edition means several things, particularly that it should be typeset. The majority of CPDL users will expect such typeset editions and I believe this is a good place to draw the line for "admission criteria" to allow only typeset scores. What are your thoughts? --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 11:47, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
David Cameron [[User:David Cameron|David Cameron]] ([[User talk:David Cameron|talk]]) 19:43, 6 April 2017 (UTC)


:Hi Rob, thanks for alerting me. I tried to open the pdf file with my Acrobat reader but received an error. Even after updating the reader the pdf would still not open correctly, so I supposed it was a perfectly valid edition. I will delete the file then. regards —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 13:13, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
I hadn't given it enough time--seems to be OK now. Sorry to bother you! [[User:David Cameron|David Cameron]] ([[User talk:David Cameron|talk]]) 19:43, 6 April 2017 (UTC)


:On a related subject, could you please opine and vote in this discussion: [[Archived:Libera animas (Felice Anerio)|Libera animas]] —Thanks
:Hi David, no problem. Yes, it's usually just a browser cache issue. Thanks again for this wonderful edition! :) —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 18:25, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


::OK no problem. I've deleted that page and archived the discussion. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 17:53, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
== apostrophes in Category names? ==


== M. Praetorius - In dulci jubilo ==
Hi Carlos, I got an error message after creating {{CC|St. Peter's Chains}} and for the moment have temporarily renamed it. Is there a workaround? [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 23:03, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
:Hi Richard, what kind of error did you get? I could open the category normally and saw that there is a work already listed in it. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 20:00, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
::I wasn't too clear: when I created {{CC|St. Peter's Chains}} that page looked OK but  Category:Sacred music by by season wouldn't load. I've forgotten the exact message but it said something about consulting a manual. [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 22:05, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
::If you move back {{CC|Chains of St. Peter}} or else put back the Cat:Sacred by season on  {{CC|St. Peter's Chains}} you may be able to see what I mean. I didn't want to leave it as it was with the whole {{CC|Sacred music by season}} shut down. [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 01:36, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
:::Hi Richard, the problem lies inside the DPL code that was in the category header of Sacred music by season. For the moment I moved that code to [[ChoralWiki:Sacred music by season]] and will see what can be done to fix it. Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 03:46, 4 August 2017 (UTC)


Hi Carlos, I yesterday uploaded a new edition of this work, thank you for refining the page. Please note that, in my opinion, splitting the page for this work into two pages (one for edition #9437 and one for editions #14586 and #20896) may not be correct, as the work is the same. They look different as one edition is notated in 3/4 and the others are notated in 6/4, however they are almost identical in the soprano part (minor differences exist at bar 11, 19 and 30 if you refer to bar numbers edition #9437). Harmonization of the other parts is different instead, however I think this is not sufficient to consider them as different works. So, I would propose to merge the two pages into a single work page. Max a.k.a. [[User:Choralia|Choralia]] 11:13, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
== Bug in template PostedOn ==


:Hi Max, the soprano part is in fact almost identical, but only because it is the hymn tune proper, based on which each harmonization was created. Now, if we could prove that one of these harmonizations was made by the editor, then I'd see no problem in re-merging the works, stating that one of the editions is an arrangement. On the other side, there is a good chance that Praetorius, a very prolific composer, made the two harmonizations for different occasions, in which case I support that they be kept in separate pages, as we currently do for different harmonizations of Bach's Chorales. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 16:09, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi Carlos.  I think your 'localizing' the month changes to PostedOn have resulted in an error. Today (October 26th), PostedOn lists my score [[A Hymn for St Cecilia (Charles H. Giffen)]], but the score was posted on September 26th, not October 26th.  The problem is that I also posted editions for the instrumental parts on October 1st, and that seems to have fooled the template PostedOn, which looks at the posting day (26) for one edition and the month (10) for another edition and decides that a score was posted on 10-26. I only noticed this because today my work is listed at the beginning of the works posted for today (2018-10-26), since it is first alphabetically.  Here is the result of <nowiki>{{PostedOn|2018-10-26}}</nowiki> (which will probably only be valid for today (or perhaps until the end of the month?).
*{{tl|PostedOn|2018-10-26}}
I'm hesitant to revert your changes, since I'm busy enough today that I won't have time to test any reversion.  Could you check into the problem? Thanks. See you Sunday for the Board meeting!! -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 15:47, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
:Hi Chuck. You're right, the template tests for the day and the month separately, as far as I can remember. That could potentially give the results you cite, in that very specific situation. There's certainly room for improvement! I'll have a look at it as soon as I can, but feel free to make any corrections if you already envision a solution for it. Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 17:23, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
::Hi again. I've implemented a new system that seems to be working correctly. Thanks for spotting the error! —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 14:49, 1 November 2018 (UTC)


:: OK Carlos, let's leave it as it is. [[User:Choralia|Choralia]] 17:43, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
== Statistics of downloads of contributed works ==


== ScoreError changes ==
Dear Carlos,


Hi Carlos.  I see you changed [[Template:ScoreError]].  While I like the idea of making the yellow lighter (less obtrusive), I think it might be just a bit too light now.  As for using span instead of table, I find the border that span produces on each line somewhat annoying and inconsistent from page to page (sometimes the border at the bottom of one line overlaps the border at the top of the following line, but sometimes it doesn't creating a double border effect).  Moreover, the inline use of the template with span causes awkward appearance when a short error report starts at the end of one line and ends near the beginning of the following line.  It was for these reasons that I changed the template to use a boxed (table) format: the only border is around the entire error message (not appearing between lines with inconsistent widths due to overlapping or nonoverlapping), and the "dangling" effect from one line to the next for short summaries.  I'm going to darken slightly the yellow now, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on the boxed ''versus'' spanned versions. Thanks! -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 17:13, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
I was wondering if it were possible for me to see some statistics (downloads etc) of my contributions? I get the occasional question from a user who took the effort to find my contact, but that doesn't give much information.


:Hi Chuck, thanks for asking, after changing the template I came up with yet other ideas that I'd like to discuss with you. First of all, the border overlapping was unexpected, since I had adjusted the line height so that it should not happen, but after you said that, I made a test and noticed that in I.E. it still overlaps (though not in Firefox). The idea in changing back from table to span was that many users add the ScoreError template in the '''Edition notes''' line, but when "table" is used, it automatically adds a line break, moving the error notice to the line below: conf. [[Ave Maria a 4 (Josquin des Prez)|with span]] - [[test:Ave Maria a 4 (Josquin des Prez)|with table]]. When the user notes are long, that looks fine, but not when they are just a few words. In fact it's a matter of taste, but we could try to standardize its use; here are my suggestions:
Grateful for your advice.
#change the ScoreError template again so that it behaves in a similar manner to the Editor template, by adding an automatic line break and indentation to it.
#remove completely the borders; in fact it has always bothered me why the error notice should call more attention than the edition itself. The icon [[file:Error.gif]] alone is enough to show that there's a problem in the edition. A compromise could be to keep the border just for the icon and standard message, but not for the user text.  


Below are some examples of what I'm proposing:
Wim Looyestijn (wim.looyestijn@planet.nl)[[User:Wim Looyestijn|Wim Looyestijn]] ([[User talk:Wim Looyestijn|talk]]) 07:37, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
===Alternative 1 (compromise)===
*'''CPDL #1276:''' [{{SERVER}}/wiki/images/sheet/jos-ave3.pdf {{pdf}}] [{{SERVER}}/wiki/images/sound/jos-ave3.mid {{mid}}] [{{SERVER}}/wiki/images/source/jos-ave3.zip Finale 2000]
{{Editor|Claudio Macchi|2000-08-26}}'''Score information:''' 188 kbytes&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;{{Copy|CPDL}}
:'''Edition notes:''' Finale file is [[zipped]].
:<span style="border: 1px solid gold; background: #FFFFBB; padding: 1px 4px 3px 4px;">{{filepath:Error.gif}} '''Possible error(s) identified.''' '''Error summary:'''</span> In bar/measure 21 the last note of the Soprano part should be a G not an E, also in bar/measure 147, the sopranos should sing an E rather than a C


===Alternative 2 (Editor template style)===
:Hi [[User:Wim Looyestijn|Wim]], unfortunately we don't have that feature on CPDL, sorry! —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 16:27, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
*'''CPDL #1276:''' [{{SERVER}}/wiki/images/sheet/jos-ave3.pdf {{pdf}}] [{{SERVER}}/wiki/images/sound/jos-ave3.mid {{mid}}] [{{SERVER}}/wiki/images/source/jos-ave3.zip Finale 2000]
{{Editor|Claudio Macchi|2000-08-26}}'''Score information:''' 188 kbytes&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;{{Copy|CPDL}}
:'''Edition notes:''' Finale file is [[zipped]].
:<span style="margin-left:-22px">[[file:Error.gif|18px]]</span> '''Edition errors:''' In bar/measure 21 the last note of the Soprano part should be a G not an E, also in bar/measure 147, the sopranos should sing an E rather than a C


===Alternative 3 (icon near score, similar to broken links)===
== Status 'incompleted' ==
*'''CPDL #1276:''' [[file:Error.gif|18px|See error description below]] [{{SERVER}}/wiki/images/sheet/jos-ave3.pdf {{pdf}}] [{{SERVER}}/wiki/images/sound/jos-ave3.mid {{mid}}] [{{SERVER}}/wiki/images/source/jos-ave3.zip Finale 2000]
{{Editor|Claudio Macchi|2000-08-26}}'''Score information:''' 188 kbytes&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;{{Copy|CPDL}}
:'''Edition notes:''' Finale file is [[zipped]].
:'''Edition errors:''' In bar/measure 21 the last note of the Soprano part should be a G not an E, also in bar/measure 147, the sopranos should sing an E rather than a C


Hi Carlos,


For me the ideal would be #3, for consistency, but #2 is also acceptable. What do you think? —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 15:54, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for catching Category:Requests Available at IMSLP! To answer [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Request:Christmas_Oratorio_(Camille_Saint-Saëns)&curid=19695&diff=1248477&oldid=1248437 this question], The Oratorio is available only in excerpts on CPDL, but complete at IMSLP. In decluttering Category:Requested, I've hesitated in some cases where it seems desirable to me to have the complete work available in the future, or where I myself might prefer a different format. [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 01:09, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
:IMO alternative 2 is best. I don't think that alternative 3 is more consistent: if the broken link icon is close to the place where broken links are located ("warning: if you click here, you get an error message"), the best consistency is achieved if the warning sign for score errors is located close to the place where errors are described. This is especially valid if the error details are actually provided in the discussion page, so the icon is close to the link it refers to. [[User:Choralia|Choralia]] 22:05, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
:Hi Richard! I noticed that you've been doing a great work in sorting out the requests, way to go! Regarding the ''completeness'' of a request, I'm of the opinion that it's 'complete' whenever a page for that work is created on CPDL. If for any reason the editions available here do not cover the whole of the request and IMSLP has a complete edition, that could be informed at the works page, with a link under the "External links" section. This way we'll be helping anyone visiting the works page, not just someone eventually consulting the request page. Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 01:24, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
::Fair enough as a traffic directing strategy; how would one have dealt with [[Request:Agnus Dei from Missa L'homme armé (Guillaume Dufay)]]? I guess I've used Template:IncompleteEdition before as a sort of request on my own behalf, but no one has ever taken the hint ;-) [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 01:49, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
:::Does IMSLP have the complete work? If so, a link to it could be added at the works page. Additionally, a note can be added at the request page informing this. Anyway, three movements is already better than nothing :) (thanks for the new edition, BTW!) —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 02:12, 23 November 2020 (UTC)


:: Actually, I found overlapping variances with Firefox (I examined several pages, but I didn't keep track of which ones overlapped and which ones did not). '''Added later:''' [[Adoramus te, Christe (Claudio Monteverdi)]] and [[O vos omnes (Feria Sexta in Parasceve) (Tomás Luis de Victoria)]] exhibit the two variances in overlapping behavior in Firefox for me.
== Internet links within Template braces ==
:: As someone pointed out previously, the ScoreError template really handles ''two'' kinds of situations, as pointed out on the ScoreError [[Template talk:ScoreError|talk page]]: (1) blatant errors (eg. wrong notes, missing notes, misalignment of notes in separate parts, etc.) and (2) editorial variances (ie. differences amongst editions or versions).  I would hope that the template, when refined, would allow for two different (boldface) declarations (I've abandoned my '''Error alert''' suggestion on the template talk page) - something like '''Edition error(s)''' and '''Edition variance(s)''', respectively.
:: As for format, I think that Alternative 1 is best for the time being, but with the two options instead of '''Possible error(s) identified. Error summary''', if only because people have become accustomed to seeing some yellow which, to me at least, stands out more than just the triangular error icon.  I do not like Alternative 3, which requires placing the icon in one spot and the Error/Variance declaration in another spot - in other words, I agree with Choralia on this point.
:: Hence, my proposal is the following, which has an optional "type" parameter to handle the different situations:
===Alternative 4a (compromise)===
Invoked by <tt><nowiki>{{ScoreError|...}}</nowiki></tt> or <tt><nowiki> (ie. the default behavior is to announce '''Edition errors''')
{{ScoreError|type=errors|...}}</nowiki></tt>
*'''CPDL #1276:''' [{{SERVER}}/wiki/images/sheet/jos-ave3.pdf {{pdf}}] [{{SERVER}}/wiki/images/sound/jos-ave3.mid {{mid}}] [{{SERVER}}/wiki/images/source/jos-ave3.zip Finale 2000]
{{Editor|Claudio Macchi|2000-08-26}}'''Score information:''' 188 kbytes&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;{{Copy|CPDL}}
:'''Edition notes:''' Finale file is [[zipped]].
:<span style="border: 1px solid gold; background: #FFFFBB; padding: 1px 4px 3px 4px;">{{filepath:Error.gif}} '''Edition errors: '''</span>&nbsp; In bar/measure 21 the last note of the Soprano part should be a G not an E, also in bar/measure 147, the sopranos should sing an E rather than a C
===Alternative 4b (compromise)===
Invoked by <tt><nowiki>{{ScoreError|type=variance|...}}</nowiki></tt>
*'''CPDL #1276:''' [{{SERVER}}/wiki/images/sheet/jos-ave3.pdf {{pdf}}] [{{SERVER}}/wiki/images/sound/jos-ave3.mid {{mid}}] [{{SERVER}}/wiki/images/source/jos-ave3.zip Finale 2000]
{{Editor|Claudio Macchi|2000-08-26}}'''Score information:''' 188 kbytes&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;{{Copy|CPDL}}
:'''Edition notes:''' Finale file is [[zipped]].
:<span style="border: 1px solid gold; background: #FFFFBB; padding: 1px 4px 3px 4px;">{{filepath:Error.gif}} '''Edition variance: '''</span>&nbsp; In bar/measure 21 the last note of the Soprano part should be a G not an E, also in bar/measure 147, the sopranos should sing an E rather than a C


:: At some point, we might consider removing the yellow background to Alternativer 4 and moving towards something akin to Alternative 2. I would also be happy with Alternative 4 '''without''' the triangular error icon. &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 04:19, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi Carlos!  I am working though a lot of work pages, and along the way trying to update  <tt><nowiki>'''External websites:''' <text></nowiki></tt>  to  {{tl|ExtWeb|<text>}}. I find that I am unable to embed certain urls within the braces; neither can I embed thinks like <tt><nowiki>{{IMSLP2|<IMSPL page>}}</nowiki></tt>. I can't seem to find a character that would cause a problem, but I haven't yet checked all strings of characters. I have discovered that I can put the url within <u>double</u> brackets (<nowiki>[[<url>]]</nowiki>) as a workaround, but that seems like a lot of work, and looks strange. Examples at [[Ach Gott, wem soll ichs klagen (Wolfgang Grefinger)]] and [[Ala guerra, ala guerra (Bartolomeo Tromboncino)]]. Do you have any suggestions?


Max, your argument about the discussion page makes sense; I will follow you on alternative #2 then.
Or maybe I should write code for Template:{{tl|ExtWeb}} to take care of this situation? Thanks! — [[User:BarryJ|Barry Johnston]] [[User talk:BarryJ|(talk)]] 17:26, 25 March 2021 (UTC)


Chuck, with respect to the overlapping, the two examples you gave appear normally for me (I use Firefox 2.0.20); anyway, this problem is temporary, as we are reaching a consensus on a different layout.
:Hi Barry! I'm still trying to figure out what's the advantage of using this new template. As I understood it, it just encapsulates the text that is passed as parameter (in this case, one or more links). But why should we abandon a template such as IMSLP2, for instance, in favor of ExtWeb, as was done [https://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Ach_Gott,_wem_soll_ichs_klagen_(Wolfgang_Grefinger)&diff=1340040&oldid=1268264 here]? Sorry for asking, maybe you're planning some kind of automation that I'm not aware of, and this is just the first step of the process.
:Regarding the technical problem you cite, the solution is simple, although not very elegant: if a parameter contains an equal sign, it causes the MediaWiki to think that everything before the = is a named parameter. To avoid it, we have to add ourselves a numbered parameter, as I did [https://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Ach_Gott,_wem_soll_ichs_klagen_(Wolfgang_Grefinger)&diff=1340205&oldid=1340040 here] by adding {{para|1}}. The <code>&lt;nowiki /></code> part corrects another known MediaWiki bug related to the display of bulleted lists inside templates. Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 02:40, 26 March 2021 (UTC)


As you said, currently the template is used for two different situations; I particularly see no problem in adding a parameter but I'm afraid that it will increase the complexity for users, ending up not being used by them at all. Couldn't we find a neutral wording that would be valid for both situations? For example, '''Edition variances/errors:''' or something in this line.<br>
== Ma bouche rit ==
 
About removing the triangular icon: for me personally it is more informative than the yellow backgroung (which still doesn't please me for the reasons mentioned previously); we must also consider that the icon is listed in the [[template:Legend]] and users are probably used to it. When the background color is totally removed (now or in a second phase, as you suggest), the icon would become more useful than it's now. An alternative would be to change the image, if you don't like it: what about [[commons:File:Attention_yellow.png|this one]]?
 
If we decide to move to alternative #2 in two steps (with alternative #4 as intermediary), what time span would you be comfortable with? —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 13:18, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 
:For what it's worth, I don't think people will know what we mean by variance, so the word Error needs to appear in there. I like the new look of it. --[[User:Vaarky|Vaarky]] 04:53, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 
::Hi Vaarky, can you please be more specific about which of the ''new looks'' you do prefer? Thanks! —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 07:37, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 
== Rachmaninoff Vespers - Music publication? ==
 
Hi Carlos.  I'm a little confused by your categorization of [[Vsenoshchnoe bdenie (All-Night Vigil), Op. 37 (Sergei Rachmaninoff)]] (a.k.a. ''Vespers'') in {{CiteCat|Music publications}}.  I have my own copy of the published score to this work, and it appears to me that it is not really a different sort of work than, say, Handel's ''Messiah'', or Vaughn Williams's ''Five Mystical Songs'', or Randall Thompson's ''The Peaceable Kingdom'', or William Byrd's ''Great Service'', or indeed any other of a host of multi-movement choral works (oratorios, passions, services, cantatas, etc.).  Are all these works supposed to be categorized as Music publications, too? I know I created the page to list all the movements of the ''Vespers'', because presently we only have four of the movements available at {{CW}}.  Perhaps it would be better to convert this into a works page with the four movements (currently each with their own pages) merged here? Thanks!! &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 00:20, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 
:I know that "Music publication" is probably not the best category for these pages, I just can't find a better place to include them. They certainly don't belong in "Sheet music" because they only have a list of movements, but no scores at all (differently from Handel's ''Messiah''). I invite you to find/create a proper category for these special index pages. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 00:28, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
:'''Addendum''': Chuck, please read Rob's comments on a similar "index page": [[Songs of Farewell (Charles Hubert Hastings Parry)]]. Should these pages be deleted, or kept but under a new categorization? —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 00:47, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
:Same here: [[Vier ernste Gesänge (Johannes Brahms)]]
::Well, for lack of a better term, I created a [[:category:Larger works]]; let me know if you come up with a better name for it. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 02:50, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 
== Main page in many languages ==
 
Only one line stays in English : the second line
ChoralWiki:Recently_posted_Advent,_Christmas_and_Epiphany_music
 
under Music_for_the_Advent_and_Christmas_season
under 'Seasonal music'.
These last two lines can be translated in French, not the first one.
Friendly,
[[User:Claude T|Claude]] 15:19, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 
:Thanks for pointing this. As the Main page will be changed soon, I think it's best to wait until that happens. Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 07:40, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 
== Taverner Dum transisset ==
 
Hi Carlos.  I don't understand your edit summary and changes on the Taverner page concerning the ''Dum transisset''.  The edition we have at CPDL (from the King Charles Singers) is indeed the one from the Dow partbooks, albeit transposed up a whole tone and note values halved (I just checked the Dow partbooks today). &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 22:25, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
:Oh, thanks for checking it. My edit summary was in fact in reply to Vaarky's changes to that page. She created the page for the [[Dow Partbooks]] but didn't link ''Dum transisset'' from there. As she had edited the composer page and added a second line titled ''Dum transisset II'', I supposed she meant that the version from the "Dow" was the one missing from CPDL. Will fix it then. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 23:09, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 
::Sorry I caused confusion, Carlos. I knew there were two Dum Transissets by Taverner but wasn't sure which of the two was from the Dow so didn't link to either yet. Chuck beat me to checking on it. Similarly, Robert Johnson wrote two DTs, one a 4v and one a 5v, but I don't know which is from the Dow partbooks--I left a comment on the Dow's talk page pointing that out to avoid confusion. -- [[User:Vaarky|Vaarky]] 06:48, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 
:::No problem! Still on this subject, we have a [[Robert Johnson]] on CPDL, but the one cited in the Dow Partbooks is [[Robert Johnson I]]. Are they the same person then? —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 13:44, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 
== Dan Emmett ==
 
Hi, Carlos. I noticed that the newly added [[Daniel Decatur Emmett]] already exists: [[Dan Emmett]]. Since I do only minor edits here, I thought I'd be better to notify someone else about this. Best Wishes, --[[User:Tomaxer|Tomaxer]] 21:07, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
:Oh, thanks for pointing this! Will merge the pages. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 21:13, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
::But shouldn't the full name version be authoritative and the shortened name be the redirect to the full name version? -- [[User:Vaarky|Vaarky]] 06:34, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, the golden rule I've been following is: when in doubt, go with Wikipedia :) He seems to be widely known by his shortened name. But we may ask Chuck and Rob what they think of this, and if necessary do it the other way around as you suggest. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 06:47, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
 
== Thomas Arne - 'The love rapture' ==
 
Hi Carlos, many thanks for tidying this up for me - I didn't know what to do about the sorting of titles starting with 'The' - clearly CPDL can cope with this.
 
I do have a problem however - my new page is not appearing either on the main page or on the 'New pages' list, even on the contributor CPDL. Why is this? I cannot see anything wrong with the page.
 
Many thanks
 
[[User:MandyShaw|Mandy Shaw]] 06:52, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 
Update - sorry, Carlos, I see that it's actually listed against 21 April, when I completed the 'Add Work' form - I was expecting it to appear on 22 April when I actually added the page. Apologies for bothering you. [[User:MandyShaw|Mandy Shaw]] 07:10, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 
:No problem, the date was fixed! Best regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 07:53, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 
::Thanks for your further help with this - just a question - do you prefer that the 'Add work' form and the actual submission of the page happen on the same day? When submitting multiple scores when I last had some to do, last year, I used to allocate myself a set of CPDL numbers in advance, just saying something like 'Placeholder' on the 'Add work' form, and then work through the score submissions as time permitted over the next few days/weeks. The form no longer seems to permit the 'Placeholder' approach, should I be getting the submission done ASAP after I fill in 'Add work' to keep the system tidy? Thanks [[User:MandyShaw|Mandy Shaw]] 16:28, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 
:::Oh, no problem with what you did! We use the different dates on the NewWork and Editor templates just to have an idea of how much time has ellapsed from submission to posting. In your case, since you are posting the works yourself, on a second thought I agree with you that both dates may be identical. As for your last question, technically there's no need to have everything done in a hurry, but it would be good if you could add a little note to the "description" field of the 'Add work' form informing that you are going to post it yourself on a later date. This is not necessary if you plan to post the work on the same day. Best regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 16:45, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 
== Score links on composer pages ==
 
Hi Carlos. I've noticed that when creating new composer pages, you seem to have forgotten to add score links with the links to works pages (or perhaps the omission was intentional?) This is the case with [[James Lynam Molloy]], [[Isaac Woodbury]], [[Julia Ward Howe]], [[Thomas à Becket]], [[Eliphalet Oram Lyte]], [[Samuel A. Ward]] and [[Philip Phile]]. I added score links for the final two and I'll deal with the others shortly. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 16:33, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 
:Hi Rob, you'll remember that we've already discussed this before a couple of times, and you may call me a rebel for this, but when I see that a lot of work is accumulated and time is short, I simply leave these links out. If you prefer, I can add a standard cleanup notice inviting someone to add the links, what about it? The other option would be to just create the composer page and leave the rest for someone else (in which case the cleanup notice would stay in the works page, as you've been doing). In a few cases, when the composer page needs to be created yet, the works will be listed under [[:category:Works with nonexistent composer page]], and a specific cleanup notice is perhaps not necessary. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 17:00, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 
::Thanks for your reply. Personally, I would prefer that you don't leave a page half-finished unless you're called away whilst editing it, in which case a cleanup notice would be preferable. As you've noticed, when I don't have much time, I put a cleanup notice on the score page itself when there is no composer page, rather than part-creating the composer page. This doesn't then suggest that the page is complete. For the sake of conformity, I continue to think that the standard is that score links are included on composer pages, except in agreed circumstances, and in the absence of mutual agreement to the contrary. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 17:09, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 
Carlos, I must request again that you at least add a cleanup template to a composer page when you have deliberately not included score links, such as [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Giacomo_Puccini&curid=2844&diff=239149&oldid=213117 here]. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 15:09, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:Ok, I may do that if you please also add a cleanup template to new works pages created by you when you deliberately decide not to create an editor page for them. The editor page is even more important, because it is the only place where the editor email address informed through the Add work form can be stored (an information which is lost otherwise). —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 15:21, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
::I think you've got yourself a deal! --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 15:39, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 
== Lajos Papp ==
 
Hi, Carlos--
 
I saw that you reversed without comment my deletion of the redirect page for Oton~o (Popp Lajos).
 
I deleted this because it is a redirect that requires someone to *both* make a typo in the composer's name *and* reverse the order of given & family name, but not access the page via search or from the composer page. While the edition makes that typo on his score, the combination of all these factors is so improbable that the redirect is worthless.
 
It is highly unlikely that someone would access the score by inputting the exact title with both typos in their browser bar by hand. If they look for Popp and Lajos and Oton~o, in ANY order, the search will find it. So the redirect at the score level is definitely not needed for this combination.
 
That leaves only whether a redirect is needed for the Popp misspelling. If you think this error is common enough to warrant a redirect, an alias on the composer's page indicating that it may be a common typo for that composer would be the way to go, and perhaps a Redirect for the composer name only if you think people will input his name into the browser bar by hand.
 
I think it is bad, bad policy to create redirects at the score level for obscure combinations of errors that users would access through the composer page anyway rather than by typing the exact score title and reversed composer name into their browser bar.
 
Given these arguments in favor of deletion, do you still feel the redirect should stand? -- [[User:Vaarky|Vaarky]] 16:20, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
 
:Hi Vaarky, sorry if I confused you with this; in fact I did add a summary when I recreated the redirect, but you probably didn't notice it or you'd have understood it all. What happened was that the redirect was still being linked to from Adrian Cuello's page, and therefore it was not ''superfluous''. Although it's bad to keep a misspelled (but working) redirect, it's even worse to delete it and end up with a red link on a page. I've done this myself in the past, but now I try to always remember to check if no static pages link to the redirect before deleting it (dynamic pages are no problem; these usually start with "ChoraWiki:..."). As soon as Adrian Cuello's page is corrected, I'll delete this redirect again, ok? —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 07:04, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 
::Makes perfect sense--sorry I overlooked your summary for the redirect. -- [[User:Vaarky|Vaarky]] 06:50, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 
== O holy night ==
<poem>
Fortaleza, Brazil, May 13th, 2010.
Dear Carlos:
1. Please, help me! On December 27, 2009, I submitted a digital version of the Christmas carol from Adolphe-Charles Adam,"O holy night", which was published in 1916 by the Reverend Charles Lewis Hutchins.
2. In order to correct some remaining small mistakes, on March 3rd, 2010, I sent to CPDL the below pasted e-mail with annexed versions in pdf, Finale, and MP3. However, the replaced has not been made, so far.
3. In my messages of December and March, I declared that to me the CPDL system for submitting or adding scores is too confusing. Unfortunately, I really can't operate it! So, please,kindly do this for me.
4. Afterwards, I will also send the French original of the carol on Mr.Hutchin's partition (his arrangement for Adam's music) and the adaptation to my own Brazilian poem with metric and rimed verses. Final question: how can I send the files to you? (to what e-mail address?)
Thank you very much for your kind attention. Yours sincerely, Prof, Osorio Viana.
</poem>
MANUEL OSORIO DE LIMA VIANA
 
[[User:Osorioviana|Osorioviana]] 19:59, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 
== OH NOITE SANTA! ==
<poem>
Fortaleza, Brasil, 15 de maio de 2010. Prezado Carlos:
1. Primeiramente, meu imenso Muito Obrigado por você haver agregado ao CPDL as três versões (Finale, pdf, mp3)que enviei do O HOLY NIGHT (na antiga partitura  publicada pelo Rev. Charles Lewis Hutchins).
2. Todavia, não consegui abrir a versão Finale e, então, a estou novamente remetendo em Finale 2010.
3. Enviei, ademais, três versões (Finale 2010, pdf, mid) da adaptação a meu poema em Português OH NOITE SANTA! (elimine, pois, a versão mp3 deste, que não abre).
4. Envio, também e na mesma partitura, o original francês CANTIQUE DE NOËL (Finale 2010 e pdf; sua versão mp3 é a mesma do O Holy Night, já que não há nenhuma modificação musical na passagem do americano para o original.
5. Quer no O HOLY NIGHT, quer no CANTIQUE DE NOËL, quer no OH NOITE SANTA!, as informações adicionais são as mesmas: Editors - Osorio Viana and Jardilino Maciel; Public domain.
Enfim e mais uma vez, muitíssimo obrigado por sua atenção. Saúde e paz; Osório Viana.</poem>
 
== Thanks for rescuing [[Mery yt ys (Anonymous)|Mery yt ys]]... ==
 
... I overlooked the PDF. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 09:23, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 
:Never mind Rob. Pity that it's a unison score. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 14:15, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 
== William Horsley ==
 
Hi Carlos,
 
Thanks for your nice message - sorry to be a dunce!
 
L
 
:I wish all contributors were as "dunce" as you consider yourself to be, lol! :) —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 00:31, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 
== Voicing info in titles ==


Hi Carlos,
Hi Carlos,


I see your point that voicing info is not always necessary for disambiguation in titles, but [[Giovanni Gabrieli]] displays a lot of useful info!  Couldn't  these titles be left as is? [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] 22:41, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
Just wanting to confirm that [[Ma bouche rit (Johannes Ockeghem)]] is a withdrawn edition, File:Ma bouche rit.pdf being a somewhat ambiguous filename which seems not to have been replaced. Cheers, [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 21:26, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 
:Hi Richard, I particularly think that the number of voices should be added only for disambiguation of works, unless of course it was also present in the original title as given by the composer. For works that require larger choruses (+10 voices) it may also be useful sometimes. Even in these cases, this information could well be presented only on the composer page, but removed from the title itself. I don't know the opinions of the other admins about it, let's see what they say. Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 14:22, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 
== BRAZILIAN VERSION (OH NOITE SANTA!) ==
 
Dear Carlos:
 
1. Only now I got the CPDL permission to contact you... I was attempting to deeply thank you for your kind attention in introducing my contributions to CPDL.
 
2. However, in CANTIQUE DE NOËL the Midi version introduced was that of OH NOITE SANTA! which is a little different, as some adaptations were made for the Brazilian poem. It could be replaced by the mp3 version of O HOLY NIGHT which is the same.
 
3. For the same reason, the Midi version of O HOLY NIGHT shoul be eliminated.
 
4. Finally, I am trying to send you my Brazilian Lyrics of OH NOITE SANTA!
 
Thank you very much. Saúde e paz; Osório Viana.
 
:Caro Osório, desculpe, não tinha percebido a diferença entre as edições. As correções já foram feitas como pedido. Saudações, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 17:49, 5 June 2010 (UTC)


==O Nata Lux==
:Hi Richard! I'm a bit puzzled by this situation... why did I delete the files and keep the edition unchanged? That's strange indeed. I found Benjamin Stone's withdrawal request at the forums: [http://forums.cpdl.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8706&p=23289]. Maybe I was in a hurry at the moment and just plain forgot to return to this matter later. I just removed the links from the edition, thanks for bringing this to my attention. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 15:54, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
Hi Carlos,
I previously requested that you delete my "O Nata Lux" page temporarily, and was wondering if I might be able to restore it (and if so what the correct way to do that would be).
[[User:Deathraider|Deathraider]] 07:25, 21 June 2010 (UTC)


== Andris Solims's e-mail ==
== Missing form and uploads ==


I received yesterday the following e-mail from [[User:Andris Solims|Mr. Solims]], but I can't decide this alone, so please everyone let me know your thoughts on the subject.
Hi Carlos: I'm afraid that I have botched something somewhere, though maybe with the help of a technical glitch.  


:Salve, Carlos!
Yesterday (19 July 2021) I tried to add a new score ("Blow, winds of God") to my list. I opened up the Add Work Form, made some of the preliminary entries, and moved to upload (1) a pdf file ("Blow, winds of God.pdf") and (2) a Finale file ("Blow, winds of God.musX"). I then returned to the Add Work Form, completed it and submitted it.  
:I see that You started to redirect the Titles on my editions what have extension (harm.). Hm, in this case it would be wrong understanding about the real Composer of score if he often is unknown or the music is Traditional, but he arrangered that score. There are a lot of similar cases where the score is arrangered by known other person who isn`t the real Composer of that song. E.g., Mamerts Celminskis arrangered many songs, also Polish melodies in Latvian, but he isn`t the Composer, and the real Composer isn`t known. What we have to write in these cases??? Because the Harmoniser isn`t the same as Composer, and if You put them as Composers it seems be wrong idea. I would prefer to put better visible extension of (harm.) in the Title behind the Composer`s/(Harmoniser`s) name. I also have many arrangered score where the Composer isn`t known, and what I have to put in the place of Composer - myself?? Please, think about this problem, because it is a communal to many other editors. Thanks!
:Fr. Andris Solims


What should we answer him? I particularly think it's not good to add a "(harm.)" to the title, and would rather use "(Traditional)" composer, informing the arranger name inside the page. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 16:28, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
At once I received two error messages, first the old one which claims that <charles.david.cameron@gmail.com> isn't a valid address, adding this time that my name was wrong too; and then a message that the system had stalled, and might be available later. I copied this material and sent it to all of you admins, as you know.


== Hymn metres ==
Today I can't find anything from yesterday; no uploads, no incomplete Add Work Form, not even my report (I suspect that I'm looking in the wrong place).
How much you admins. must shudder at the technical illiteracy of us computer users who don't understand anything under the hood--I'm sorry!


Thanks for the useful list, Carlos. I think the problems I was having with the system recognising the metres I was using are down to extra blanks and periods. I should have much less trouble now.[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] 15:57, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
But I have no idea how to proceed now, and I do want to post the piece. Thanks in advance for your help.


== Fixing Schoelkopf links ==
[[User:David Cameron|David Cameron]] ([[User talk:David Cameron|talk]]) 15:47, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
:Hi, David, thanks for your contributions! I suppose that you're known here under an email address at queensu.ca. Your two files are already present on our servers. Please fill the AddWork form as yesterday, using your previous address. (I haven't received any mail yesterday). By the way, you could spare a bit of my time uploading an MXL (compressed MusicXML) file in lieu of the .musx one, to allow users using MuseScore, Sibelius or Capella to use your file. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 16:43, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


Hey Carlos, thanks for finishing the job of fixing the broken links for the Schoelkopf editions. I had marked them as broken when it was pointed out to me in an e-mail and didn't immediately find the correct site.  Then when I did find the correct site, I only got maybe halfway through the updates before I had to stop. &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 14:27, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
::Hello guys, sorry for the belated reply. David, I see that you've managed to create a page for [[Blow, winds of God (David Cameron)|Blow, winds of God]] already, with Claude's gracious help. Way to go! —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 19:54, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
:Yes Chuck, I noticed you had begun correcting them, and was just giving you a hand :) Thanks too. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 14:29, 17 September 2010 (UTC)


== Updating cantoral ==
== Brazilian sacred publications ==


Hi Carlos.  I see you have done a text replace on all of the cantoral (Abel Di Marco) pages, but unfortunately, they all have to be further updated to remove the finaleviewer template (and other cleanup).  I was doing only 25-30 at a time, so that I could keep up with the further updating, but now there must be a few hundred that need to be done, and I don't think I can do them all in just a day or two before the record of those that haven't been text-replaced but not edited becomes stale in the Recent changes.  I guess we need some volunteers right away!! &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 02:26, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi Carlos!


:Oops sorry, I didn't notice you were doing it in small batches. I believe that the FinaleViewer template can also be removed via a script; the remaining templates can then be added with no hurry. Thanks for your hard work! —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 02:39, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
I have been trying to help [[User:Catuí Côrte-Real Suarez]] with three publications, including [[Harpa de Sião]], [[Cecília]], and [[Magnificat, coletânea de cantos litúrgicos]]. But I have run into some difficulty with a recently-created publication, [[Harpa de Sião: suplemento]] – I don't have access to early editions of this book, apparently very popular in Brasil. I feel like the two pages for ''Harpa de Sião'' should be one page, but I don't know how to combine them: the situation with all the editions is a mystery to me. Do you have suggestions? — [[User:BarryJ|Barry Johnston]] [[User talk:BarryJ|(talk)]] 16:43, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
:Hi Barry! A belated Happy New Year! :) I need to get acquainted with this subject first, will inform you about whatever I find, ok? Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 16:35, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks Carlos! And a belated Happy New Year to you. Sounds good, I will wait to see what you find. — [[User:BarryJ|Barry Johnston]] [[User talk:BarryJ|(talk)]] 18:50, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
:::Hi again, Barry. From what I could see, the [[Harpa de Sião: suplemento|supplement]] could very well be on the same page of the main publication. Note that this was done at [[IMSLP: Harpa de Sião (Lehmann, Padre João Baptista)]]. We could maybe create a new section and move the supplement under it, what do you think? I'm still in doubt if this supplement belongs to the 1st or 3rd edition, so I wrote Catuí asking for clarification. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 01:12, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
::::Hi Barry, I talked with Catuí and he explained to me that the Supplement is an independent book; that was the reason why he put it on a separate page. But he wouldn't mind if the pages are eventually merged. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 00:12, 20 January 2023 (UTC)


:: That's okay.  Unfortunately, the finaleviewer template requires replacing "Edition notes:" and placing any other material that actually belongs in the edition notes in the right place.  And I'm not sure if the finaleviewer template has been used with editions of other editors than Abel Di Marco.  So far, things are going pretty well, though. &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 03:28, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
== Pone luctum ==


:::The bot is running right now, replacing the FinaleViewer template only in the editions by Abel di Marco. I checked some pages and everything seems to be going all right. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 03:33, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Christ is risen! I would like to ask about the real Composer of tune "Pone luctum, sume vestem", if he is known? There are two persons with the same last name "Mohr", but with different first names: Joseph Franz and Joseph Hermann. Both of them are born after 1750, when probably the tune was composed and can't be a Composer of this tune. Joseph Franz Mohr was text author of some Hymns, but Joseph Hermann Mohr was known as composer of many Latin Hymns (tunes). In edited of Hermann Mohr "Cantiones Sacrae" in 1878 there is his arranged hymn "Pone luctum, sume vestem" under nr. 71 on the page 170 of downloadable PDF file: https://ia801605.us.archive.org/12/items/cantionessacrae00mohrgoog/cantionessacrae00mohrgoog.pdf That arrangement is different from the present edition of Rev. Abel Di Marco on CPDL page, where as Composer is indicated Joseph Franz Mohr. The same harmonization is on the page of "Cappella Gregoriana" of Rev. Abel Di Marco, but with alternative file: https://cappellagregoriana.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pone-luctum.pdf , where is indicated a Composer J. B. C. Schmidts and arranger Joseph Hermann Mohr. However that version is different from Joseph Hermann Mohr's arrangement in "Cantiones Sacrae". To whom belong the harmonization, edited by Rev. Abel Di Marco?? Is it his proper harmonization? I think that it is a misattribution of Composer name to Joseph Franz Mohr, as we have indication of harmonizer Joseph Hermann Mohr. The real Composer of tune may be remain unknown!?! [[User:Andris Solims|Andris Solims]] ([[User talk:Andris Solims|talk]]) 14:14, 3 May 2023 (UTC)Andris Solims
::::The bot has finished removing the FinaleViewer template; I would suggest that we don't use the ReplaceText function to add the Voicing template, because by doing so, a superfluous [Category:xxx] is left behind on the page. The bot is better fitted to do this kind of change because it can do both things at the same time. For now I'll run a SQL query to remove the superfluous category line from the works that have been changed by the ReplaceText command. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 04:18, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
:Hello Mr Solims! Sorry that I can't be of any help to you on this, my knowledge on the subject is quite limited. Kind regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 01:34, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
:::::Done for Unison and SSA. See example [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Weathers_(Laurence_Hughes)&curid=9672&diff=251744&oldid=212728 here]. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]]&nbsp;[{{fullurl:User talk:Carlos}} {{mail}}] 04:23, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

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Add New Work form – Instruments

Hi Carlos, A few minutes ago I used the Add New Work form to create Sharon (James P. Carrell). Since it is an a cappella work, I entered that in the Instruments blank. But when I got to the page, there was an error message across the top, about a missing ) in a Multireplace.php program. The page was created correctly, except Instruments was blank. I tried inserting A cappella in the Instruments template, but it didn't work, I got the same message. I managed to get around it by typing '''Instruments:'''{{Acap}}, which gave the same result, it appears (the page was added to Category:A cappella). By the way, I looked at Template:Instruments and noticed that it was editable by me; it should be protected, right? (I did not edit it). Anyway, I thought you should know that this happened. Best to you — Barry Johnston (talk) 04:52, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Barry, thanks for informing me of this. The problem with template: Instruments seems to be gone, it was just a test by Richard Mix that didn't work out as expected. Regards, —Carlos (talk) 17:50, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Monteverdi Magnificat Secondo edition

Hi Carlos: After a long period of neglect, someone reminded me that my edition of the Monteverdi Magnificat Secondo is missing a verse. Its CPDL number is 26082. I have tried today to upload a complete version--but each time I've tried, the result is still incomplete--on CPDL, that is, but not on my computer. The initial correct upload is

What might I be doing wrong?

Thanks.

David Cameron David Cameron (talk) 19:43, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

I hadn't given it enough time--seems to be OK now. Sorry to bother you! David Cameron (talk) 19:43, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi David, no problem. Yes, it's usually just a browser cache issue. Thanks again for this wonderful edition! :) —Carlos (talk) 18:25, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

apostrophes in Category names?

Hi Carlos, I got an error message after creating St. Peter's Chains and for the moment have temporarily renamed it. Is there a workaround? Richard Mix (talk) 23:03, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Richard, what kind of error did you get? I could open the category normally and saw that there is a work already listed in it. —Carlos (talk) 20:00, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
I wasn't too clear: when I created St. Peter's Chains that page looked OK but Category:Sacred music by by season wouldn't load. I've forgotten the exact message but it said something about consulting a manual. Richard Mix (talk) 22:05, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
If you move back Chains of St. Peter or else put back the Cat:Sacred by season on St. Peter's Chains you may be able to see what I mean. I didn't want to leave it as it was with the whole Sacred music by season shut down. Richard Mix (talk) 01:36, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi Richard, the problem lies inside the DPL code that was in the category header of Sacred music by season. For the moment I moved that code to ChoralWiki:Sacred music by season and will see what can be done to fix it. Regards, —Carlos (talk) 03:46, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Bug in template PostedOn

Hi Carlos. I think your 'localizing' the month changes to PostedOn have resulted in an error. Today (October 26th), PostedOn lists my score A Hymn for St Cecilia (Charles H. Giffen), but the score was posted on September 26th, not October 26th. The problem is that I also posted editions for the instrumental parts on October 1st, and that seems to have fooled the template PostedOn, which looks at the posting day (26) for one edition and the month (10) for another edition and decides that a score was posted on 10-26. I only noticed this because today my work is listed at the beginning of the works posted for today (2018-10-26), since it is first alphabetically. Here is the result of {{PostedOn|2018-10-26}} (which will probably only be valid for today (or perhaps until the end of the month?).

I'm hesitant to revert your changes, since I'm busy enough today that I won't have time to test any reversion. Could you check into the problem? Thanks. See you Sunday for the Board meeting!! -- Chucktalk Giffen♫ 15:47, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Chuck. You're right, the template tests for the day and the month separately, as far as I can remember. That could potentially give the results you cite, in that very specific situation. There's certainly room for improvement! I'll have a look at it as soon as I can, but feel free to make any corrections if you already envision a solution for it. Regards, —Carlos (talk) 17:23, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi again. I've implemented a new system that seems to be working correctly. Thanks for spotting the error! —Carlos (talk) 14:49, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Statistics of downloads of contributed works

Dear Carlos,

I was wondering if it were possible for me to see some statistics (downloads etc) of my contributions? I get the occasional question from a user who took the effort to find my contact, but that doesn't give much information.

Grateful for your advice.

Wim Looyestijn (wim.looyestijn@planet.nl)Wim Looyestijn (talk) 07:37, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi Wim, unfortunately we don't have that feature on CPDL, sorry! —Carlos (talk) 16:27, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Status 'incompleted'

Hi Carlos,

Thanks for catching Category:Requests Available at IMSLP! To answer this question, The Oratorio is available only in excerpts on CPDL, but complete at IMSLP. In decluttering Category:Requested, I've hesitated in some cases where it seems desirable to me to have the complete work available in the future, or where I myself might prefer a different format. Richard Mix (talk) 01:09, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Richard! I noticed that you've been doing a great work in sorting out the requests, way to go! Regarding the completeness of a request, I'm of the opinion that it's 'complete' whenever a page for that work is created on CPDL. If for any reason the editions available here do not cover the whole of the request and IMSLP has a complete edition, that could be informed at the works page, with a link under the "External links" section. This way we'll be helping anyone visiting the works page, not just someone eventually consulting the request page. Regards, —Carlos (talk) 01:24, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Fair enough as a traffic directing strategy; how would one have dealt with Request:Agnus Dei from Missa L'homme armé (Guillaume Dufay)? I guess I've used Template:IncompleteEdition before as a sort of request on my own behalf, but no one has ever taken the hint ;-) Richard Mix (talk) 01:49, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Does IMSLP have the complete work? If so, a link to it could be added at the works page. Additionally, a note can be added at the request page informing this. Anyway, three movements is already better than nothing :) (thanks for the new edition, BTW!) —Carlos (talk) 02:12, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Internet links within Template braces

Hi Carlos! I am working though a lot of work pages, and along the way trying to update '''External websites:''' <text> to {{ExtWeb|<text>}}. I find that I am unable to embed certain urls within the braces; neither can I embed thinks like {{IMSLP2|<IMSPL page>}}. I can't seem to find a character that would cause a problem, but I haven't yet checked all strings of characters. I have discovered that I can put the url within double brackets ([[<url>]]) as a workaround, but that seems like a lot of work, and looks strange. Examples at Ach Gott, wem soll ichs klagen (Wolfgang Grefinger) and Ala guerra, ala guerra (Bartolomeo Tromboncino). Do you have any suggestions?

Or maybe I should write code for Template:{{ExtWeb}} to take care of this situation? Thanks! — Barry Johnston (talk) 17:26, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Barry! I'm still trying to figure out what's the advantage of using this new template. As I understood it, it just encapsulates the text that is passed as parameter (in this case, one or more links). But why should we abandon a template such as IMSLP2, for instance, in favor of ExtWeb, as was done here? Sorry for asking, maybe you're planning some kind of automation that I'm not aware of, and this is just the first step of the process.
Regarding the technical problem you cite, the solution is simple, although not very elegant: if a parameter contains an equal sign, it causes the MediaWiki to think that everything before the = is a named parameter. To avoid it, we have to add ourselves a numbered parameter, as I did here by adding |1=. The <nowiki /> part corrects another known MediaWiki bug related to the display of bulleted lists inside templates. Regards, —Carlos (talk) 02:40, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Ma bouche rit

Hi Carlos,

Just wanting to confirm that Ma bouche rit (Johannes Ockeghem) is a withdrawn edition, File:Ma bouche rit.pdf being a somewhat ambiguous filename which seems not to have been replaced. Cheers, Richard Mix (talk) 21:26, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Richard! I'm a bit puzzled by this situation... why did I delete the files and keep the edition unchanged? That's strange indeed. I found Benjamin Stone's withdrawal request at the forums: [1]. Maybe I was in a hurry at the moment and just plain forgot to return to this matter later. I just removed the links from the edition, thanks for bringing this to my attention. —Carlos (talk) 15:54, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Missing form and uploads

Hi Carlos: I'm afraid that I have botched something somewhere, though maybe with the help of a technical glitch.

Yesterday (19 July 2021) I tried to add a new score ("Blow, winds of God") to my list. I opened up the Add Work Form, made some of the preliminary entries, and moved to upload (1) a pdf file ("Blow, winds of God.pdf") and (2) a Finale file ("Blow, winds of God.musX"). I then returned to the Add Work Form, completed it and submitted it.

At once I received two error messages, first the old one which claims that <charles.david.cameron@gmail.com> isn't a valid address, adding this time that my name was wrong too; and then a message that the system had stalled, and might be available later. I copied this material and sent it to all of you admins, as you know.

Today I can't find anything from yesterday; no uploads, no incomplete Add Work Form, not even my report (I suspect that I'm looking in the wrong place). How much you admins. must shudder at the technical illiteracy of us computer users who don't understand anything under the hood--I'm sorry!

But I have no idea how to proceed now, and I do want to post the piece. Thanks in advance for your help.

David Cameron (talk) 15:47, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi, David, thanks for your contributions! I suppose that you're known here under an email address at queensu.ca. Your two files are already present on our servers. Please fill the AddWork form as yesterday, using your previous address. (I haven't received any mail yesterday). By the way, you could spare a bit of my time uploading an MXL (compressed MusicXML) file in lieu of the .musx one, to allow users using MuseScore, Sibelius or Capella to use your file. Claude (talk) 16:43, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello guys, sorry for the belated reply. David, I see that you've managed to create a page for Blow, winds of God already, with Claude's gracious help. Way to go! —Carlos (talk) 19:54, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Brazilian sacred publications

Hi Carlos!

I have been trying to help User:Catuí Côrte-Real Suarez with three publications, including Harpa de Sião, Cecília, and Magnificat, coletânea de cantos litúrgicos. But I have run into some difficulty with a recently-created publication, Harpa de Sião: suplemento – I don't have access to early editions of this book, apparently very popular in Brasil. I feel like the two pages for Harpa de Sião should be one page, but I don't know how to combine them: the situation with all the editions is a mystery to me. Do you have suggestions? — Barry Johnston (talk) 16:43, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi Barry! A belated Happy New Year! :) I need to get acquainted with this subject first, will inform you about whatever I find, ok? Regards, —Carlos (talk) 16:35, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Thanks Carlos! And a belated Happy New Year to you. Sounds good, I will wait to see what you find. — Barry Johnston (talk) 18:50, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi again, Barry. From what I could see, the supplement could very well be on the same page of the main publication. Note that this was done at IMSLP: Harpa de Sião (Lehmann, Padre João Baptista). We could maybe create a new section and move the supplement under it, what do you think? I'm still in doubt if this supplement belongs to the 1st or 3rd edition, so I wrote Catuí asking for clarification. —Carlos (talk) 01:12, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi Barry, I talked with Catuí and he explained to me that the Supplement is an independent book; that was the reason why he put it on a separate page. But he wouldn't mind if the pages are eventually merged. —Carlos (talk) 00:12, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Pone luctum

Christ is risen! I would like to ask about the real Composer of tune "Pone luctum, sume vestem", if he is known? There are two persons with the same last name "Mohr", but with different first names: Joseph Franz and Joseph Hermann. Both of them are born after 1750, when probably the tune was composed and can't be a Composer of this tune. Joseph Franz Mohr was text author of some Hymns, but Joseph Hermann Mohr was known as composer of many Latin Hymns (tunes). In edited of Hermann Mohr "Cantiones Sacrae" in 1878 there is his arranged hymn "Pone luctum, sume vestem" under nr. 71 on the page 170 of downloadable PDF file: https://ia801605.us.archive.org/12/items/cantionessacrae00mohrgoog/cantionessacrae00mohrgoog.pdf That arrangement is different from the present edition of Rev. Abel Di Marco on CPDL page, where as Composer is indicated Joseph Franz Mohr. The same harmonization is on the page of "Cappella Gregoriana" of Rev. Abel Di Marco, but with alternative file: https://cappellagregoriana.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pone-luctum.pdf , where is indicated a Composer J. B. C. Schmidts and arranger Joseph Hermann Mohr. However that version is different from Joseph Hermann Mohr's arrangement in "Cantiones Sacrae". To whom belong the harmonization, edited by Rev. Abel Di Marco?? Is it his proper harmonization? I think that it is a misattribution of Composer name to Joseph Franz Mohr, as we have indication of harmonizer Joseph Hermann Mohr. The real Composer of tune may be remain unknown!?! Andris Solims (talk) 14:14, 3 May 2023 (UTC)Andris Solims

Hello Mr Solims! Sorry that I can't be of any help to you on this, my knowledge on the subject is quite limited. Kind regards, —Carlos (talk) 01:34, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
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