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== Brian Russell files ==
== Add New Work form – Instruments ==


Hello! I recently discovered a fairly large stash of apparently unuploaded Brian Russell files, and I'm not entirely sure what exactly should be done with them. I've been talking with Claude T about the files [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Claude_T over on his talk page], and we were wondering if you might have any input (I don't know if you saw his shout-out or not). ~ [[User:Wboyle|Wboyle]] ([[User talk:Wboyle|talk]]) 10:10, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi Carlos, A few minutes ago I used the Add New Work form to create [[Sharon (James P. Carrell)]]. Since it is an ''a cappella'' work, I entered that in the Instruments blank. But when I got to the page, there was an error message across the top, about a missing ) in a Multireplace.php program. The page was created correctly, except Instruments was blank. I tried inserting ''A cappella'' in the Instruments template, but it didn't work, I got the same message. I managed to get around it by typing <tt><noWiki>'''Instruments:'''{{Acap}}</noWiki></tt>, which gave the same result, it appears (the page was added to Category:A cappella). By the way, I looked at Template:Instruments and noticed that it was editable by me; it should be protected, right? (I did not edit it). Anyway, I thought you should know that this happened. Best to you — [[User:Bcjohnston523|Barry Johnston]] [[User talk:Bcjohnston523|(talk)]] 04:52, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks for alerting me, Walker! Have just replied there. Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] ([[User talk:Carlos|talk]]) 02:45, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
:Hi Barry, thanks for informing me of this. The problem with [[template: Instruments]] seems to be gone, it was just a test by Richard Mix that didn't work out as expected. Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 17:50, 1 February 2017 (UTC)


== Fabio ==
== Monteverdi Magnificat Secondo edition ==


Hi Carlos, do you speak italian? How can I answer to you and to others people that write to my on talk page?
Hi Carlos: After a long period of neglect, someone reminded me that my edition of the Monteverdi Magnificat Secondo is missing a verse. Its CPDL number is 26082.
Like you say, I'm the same nick Valla79 (I've forgotten the nick!) so you can join togheter the nick so I'll use just one. Let me know.
I have tried today to upload a complete version--but each time I've tried, the result is still incomplete--on CPDL, that is, but not on my computer.
The initial correct upload is


Grazie
What might I be doing wrong?
[[user:Valla79|Fabio]] 10:02, 29 May 2014‎


== Please delete this file ==
Thanks.


Hi Carlos,
David Cameron [[User:David Cameron|David Cameron]] ([[User talk:David Cameron|talk]]) 19:43, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 
I hadn't given it enough time--seems to be OK now. Sorry to bother you! [[User:David Cameron|David Cameron]] ([[User talk:David Cameron|talk]]) 19:43, 6 April 2017 (UTC)


I was contacted by the manager of a composer whose work I uploaded here.  
:Hi David, no problem. Yes, it's usually just a browser cache issue. Thanks again for this wonderful edition! :) —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 18:25, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
This is the URL:
http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/File:Tinggal_Sertaku_(Pohan).pdf


Would you please delete this file. I have tried to do it myself, with no avail. I actually didn't mean to upload it. It was one of my first attempts to upload something on CPDL. My choir got a license to his work, but he obviously didn't want it to go public. The composer objected upon the upload. He wanted it to be deleted.
== apostrophes in Category names? ==


Thank you.
Hi Carlos, I got an error message after creating {{CC|St. Peter's Chains}} and for the moment have temporarily renamed it. Is there a workaround? [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 23:03, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
:Hi Richard, what kind of error did you get? I could open the category normally and saw that there is a work already listed in it. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 20:00, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
::I wasn't too clear: when I created {{CC|St. Peter's Chains}} that page looked OK but  Category:Sacred music by by season wouldn't load. I've forgotten the exact message but it said something about consulting a manual. [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 22:05, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
::If you move back {{CC|Chains of St. Peter}} or else put back the Cat:Sacred by season on  {{CC|St. Peter's Chains}} you may be able to see what I mean. I didn't want to leave it as it was with the whole {{CC|Sacred music by season}} shut down. [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 01:36, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
:::Hi Richard, the problem lies inside the DPL code that was in the category header of Sacred music by season. For the moment I moved that code to [[ChoralWiki:Sacred music by season]] and will see what can be done to fix it. Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 03:46, 4 August 2017 (UTC)


Regards,
== Bug in template PostedOn ==
[[user:Hendra|Hendra]],  14:54, 13 June 2014


:Done! —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 05:11, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
Hi Carlos.  I think your 'localizing' the month changes to PostedOn have resulted in an error. Today (October 26th), PostedOn lists my score [[A Hymn for St Cecilia (Charles H. Giffen)]], but the score was posted on September 26th, not October 26th.  The problem is that I also posted editions for the instrumental parts on October 1st, and that seems to have fooled the template PostedOn, which looks at the posting day (26) for one edition and the month (10) for another edition and decides that a score was posted on 10-26.  I only noticed this because today my work is listed at the beginning of the works posted for today (2018-10-26), since it is first alphabetically.  Here is the result of <nowiki>{{PostedOn|2018-10-26}}</nowiki> (which will probably only be valid for today (or perhaps until the end of the month?).
*{{tl|PostedOn|2018-10-26}}
I'm hesitant to revert your changes, since I'm busy enough today that I won't have time to test any reversion.  Could you check into the problem? Thanks. See you Sunday for the Board meeting!! -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 15:47, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
:Hi Chuck. You're right, the template tests for the day and the month separately, as far as I can remember. That could potentially give the results you cite, in that very specific situation. There's certainly room for improvement! I'll have a look at it as soon as I can, but feel free to make any corrections if you already envision a solution for it. Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 17:23, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
::Hi again. I've implemented a new system that seems to be working correctly. Thanks for spotting the error! —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 14:49, 1 November 2018 (UTC)


== Sortable tables ==
== Statistics of downloads of contributed works ==


Dear Carlos,
Dear Carlos,


3 questions; I hope easy ones! 1) I started making a table at [[Souterliedekens]] and am puzzled by the behaviour of the incipit field: it lists them in reverse numerical order on the first click, only alphabetizing on the second click. 2) Are the slashes (Psalm 140/141) in the red-linked titles a potential problem? Nested parentheses seem less elegant... 3) how are piped Ps. No.'s handled?  Tia! [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 05:14, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
I was wondering if it were possible for me to see some statistics (downloads etc) of my contributions? I get the occasional question from a user who took the effort to find my contact, but that doesn't give much information.
 
:Hi Richard!
# That's strange... for me it seems to work correctly ''on the first click''. If I click on a column for the second time, even if another column has been clicked in between, it then sorts the column in the opposite order. I guess this is standard behaviour.
# I would suggest avoiding the slashes in title by keeping only the Vulgata number in it. If I'm not mistaken, that's usually how other works based on the Vulgata give this information in the title. Inside the page, the conversion is already made explicit in the Text & translations section, when {{tl|LinkText}} is used.
# To sort columns like this one, we have to resort to a trick: invisible texts are introduced before each visible text, and the sorting is done on the invisible texts. Template {{tl|hs}} is used for this effect.
:Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 06:13, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks! 1. So strange I tried it several times over to be sure, but today it works as you describe instead. Settling time perhaps??? 2. A good idea 3. Thanks for doing it already; I'll try to remember the trick. All the best, [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 08:57, 24 July 2014 (UTC)


== Audi e partitura e edicao ==
Grateful for your advice.


Olá caríssimo, estou sim disposto a disponibilizar a partitura e editar uma  página da música (como [[A los maytines era (Anonymous)|essa]]) por exemplo, mas estou tento um pouco de dificuldades com os códigos, você poderia me auxiliar nesse início. Tenho bastante experiência na edição da Wikipédia, mas resolvi me mudar para cá. Muito obrigado. [[User:Amats|Amats]] ([[User talk:Amats|talk]]) 11:16, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Wim Looyestijn (wim.looyestijn@planet.nl)[[User:Wim Looyestijn|Wim Looyestijn]] ([[User talk:Wim Looyestijn|talk]]) 07:37, 16 October 2019 (UTC)


== O Cântico de Maria ==
:Hi [[User:Wim Looyestijn|Wim]], unfortunately we don't have that feature on CPDL, sorry! —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 16:27, 17 October 2019 (UTC)


Thanks! :-) - Estarei upando outras músicas do compositor ainda hoje, mas antes vou terminar as correções no artigo dele. Uma questão, aqui temos uma predef. para link com o artigo na wikipédia? ou uma "interwiki" como chamamos por lá? Se houver uma lista de predefs a serem usadas pode me passar o endereço? Grato [[User:Amats|Amats]] ([[User talk:Amats|talk]]) 20:35, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
== Status 'incompleted' ==
:Olá, há uma lista de predefs em [[Templates]]. Para criar um link a um artigo da wikipédia, pode usar a sintaxe <nowiki>[[w:pt:Artigo|Texto que aparece]]</nowiki>. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 21:19, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
 
== Thanks for the welcome ==
 
Hi Carlos. Thanks for the welcome. cpdl.org is a great place for posting my free scores. Hoping they will be a bit of some use for others. By the way: is there any method to read how many downloads are made on the scores? Kind regards, [[user:Pascalal|Pascal]]. 18:06, 9 August 2014
 
== Thank you! ==


Hi Carlos,  
Hi Carlos,  
Thank you for your welcome note! I'm glad you enjoyed the Magnificat video :). -[[Spartlan|Susan]] 14:39, 20 August 2014
== Musica Colonial scores ==
Carlos
A choral director in Vermont has asked me if I can supply a translation one of the Musica Colonial scores, Nebra's "Rompan los vagos espacios" which he wants to perform. Obviously a translation is needed if it is to be performed in an Anglophone country. My Spanish isn't really up to this. These scores are often very obscure. Do you have any ideas? I realise of course that your native language is Portuguese, rather than Spanish.
[[User:Jonathang|Jonathan]] ([[User talk:Jonathang|talk]]) 07:41, 17 September 2014 (UTC)


:Hi Jonathan, I can understand Spanish quite well, but as you said, the text of this music is a bit unclear. I'll give it a try, let's see what I can apprehend of it. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 17:30, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for catching Category:Requests Available at IMSLP! To answer [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Request:Christmas_Oratorio_(Camille_Saint-Saëns)&curid=19695&diff=1248477&oldid=1248437 this question], The Oratorio is available only in excerpts on CPDL, but complete at IMSLP. In decluttering Category:Requested, I've hesitated in some cases where it seems desirable to me to have the complete work available in the future, or where I myself might prefer a different format. [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 01:09, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
:Hi Richard! I noticed that you've been doing a great work in sorting out the requests, way to go! Regarding the ''completeness'' of a request, I'm of the opinion that it's 'complete' whenever a page for that work is created on CPDL. If for any reason the editions available here do not cover the whole of the request and IMSLP has a complete edition, that could be informed at the works page, with a link under the "External links" section. This way we'll be helping anyone visiting the works page, not just someone eventually consulting the request page. Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 01:24, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
::Fair enough as a traffic directing strategy; how would one have dealt with [[Request:Agnus Dei from Missa L'homme armé (Guillaume Dufay)]]? I guess I've used Template:IncompleteEdition before as a sort of request on my own behalf, but no one has ever taken the hint ;-) [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 01:49, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
:::Does IMSLP have the complete work? If so, a link to it could be added at the works page. Additionally, a note can be added at the request page informing this. Anyway, three movements is already better than nothing :) (thanks for the new edition, BTW!) —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 02:12, 23 November 2020 (UTC)


::Many thanks Carlos! [[User:Jonathang|Jonathan]] ([[User talk:Jonathang|talk]]) 18:51, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
== Internet links within Template braces ==


:::Hi Jonathan, there you have it! I did my best but some parts don't seem to make much sense even in the original. You may want to ask someone else to revise the translation. If they decide to use the translation as provided by me, please ask them to credit me. Thank you, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 06:50, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi Carlos! I am working though a lot of work pages, and along the way trying to update  <tt><nowiki>'''External websites:''' <text></nowiki></tt>  to {{tl|ExtWeb|<text>}}. I find that I am unable to embed certain urls within the braces; neither can I embed thinks like <tt><nowiki>{{IMSLP2|<IMSPL page>}}</nowiki></tt>. I can't seem to find a character that would cause a problem, but I haven't yet checked all strings of characters. I have discovered that I can put the url within <u>double</u> brackets (<nowiki>[[<url>]]</nowiki>) as a workaround, but that seems like a lot of work, and looks strange. Examples at [[Ach Gott, wem soll ichs klagen (Wolfgang Grefinger)]] and [[Ala guerra, ala guerra (Bartolomeo Tromboncino)]]. Do you have any suggestions?


:::: Carlos, many thanks for your help. It looks fine to me and I will follow your request. Jonathan [[User:Jonathang|Jonathang]] ([[User talk:Jonathang|talk]]) 12:57, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Or maybe I should write code for Template:{{tl|ExtWeb}} to take care of this situation? Thanks! — [[User:BarryJ|Barry Johnston]] [[User talk:BarryJ|(talk)]] 17:26, 25 March 2021 (UTC)


== To Gratiana Dancing and Singing - W Denis Browne ==
:Hi Barry! I'm still trying to figure out what's the advantage of using this new template. As I understood it, it just encapsulates the text that is passed as parameter (in this case, one or more links). But why should we abandon a template such as IMSLP2, for instance, in favor of ExtWeb, as was done [https://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Ach_Gott,_wem_soll_ichs_klagen_(Wolfgang_Grefinger)&diff=1340040&oldid=1268264 here]? Sorry for asking, maybe you're planning some kind of automation that I'm not aware of, and this is just the first step of the process.
:Regarding the technical problem you cite, the solution is simple, although not very elegant: if a parameter contains an equal sign, it causes the MediaWiki to think that everything before the = is a named parameter. To avoid it, we have to add ourselves a numbered parameter, as I did [https://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Ach_Gott,_wem_soll_ichs_klagen_(Wolfgang_Grefinger)&diff=1340205&oldid=1340040 here] by adding {{para|1}}. The <code>&lt;nowiki /></code> part corrects another known MediaWiki bug related to the display of bulleted lists inside templates. Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 02:40, 26 March 2021 (UTC)


Thanks for picking this one up Carlos. And thanks for creating the new Composer and Title pages for me. I have now uploaded new PDF and Sib7 files which correct a small misprint in the poem which appears inside the coverpage.
== Ma bouche rit ==
 
Thanks again. PeterH [[User:PeterHarris|PeterHarris]] ([[User talk:PeterHarris|talk]]) 11:58, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
 
== Yaroslav versus Yaroslavsky Chant ==
 
Hi Carlos.  I noticed that you have replaced "Yaroslavsky" with "Yaroslav" while referring to a particular form of Slavonic chant.  For the piece in question ("A mercy of peace...") the work is listed as: "Yaroslavsky Chant - for the Liturgy of St. Basil the Great - g (618 KB)"; moreover, in the PDF score itself the source is cited as "Yaroslaskago rospiva" (Ярославскаго распыва).  "Yaroslav" is a noun, while "Yaroslavsky" (while sometimes a noun) is an adjective form for "Yaroslav".  It's no different than the situation with "Gregory chant" or "Gregorian chant", or "Kiev chant" or "Kievan chant" (in both cases, the second form is correct).  Can you cite a reason for your change?  I'm totally mystified by this! &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 16:15, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 
:Hi Chuck. I'm aware of the difference in meaning between the two terms; I made extensive searches for both expressions "Yaroslav[sky] chant", and references for both are extremely hard to find on the internet. The only site using "Yaroslavsky chant" is the one from where the CPDL score comes ([http://www.rocm.org/e_getmercy.htm]); all the other results on Google are in fact just references to this same work ([http://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=%22Yaroslavsky+chant%22+-cpdl+-scorser+-primanota]). On the other side, "Yaroslav chant" is cited a couple more times on websites directly related to Russian Orthodox music ([http://music.russianorthodox-stl.org/music_liturgy.html] [http://www.stseraphim.org/choir.html] [http://www.podoben.org/mixed_liturgy.html]), and in a book digitized by Google ([http://books.google.com/books?id=faZlAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA171&lpg=PA171&source=bl&ots=I6hxJlIPA1&sig=DZQBuVY4uN2psMQCMNLG2wLRgQw&hl=pt-PT&sa=X&ei=TPc_VLn1B8_NggSU7ICoBg&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=%22Yaroslav%20chant%22&f=false]). So, mine wasn't a completely uninformed decision, even though I cannot affirm that the current form is the most correct one. Grove has no references to this kind of chant, maybe you could help to settle this issue if you happen to have books on this subject at hand. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 17:22, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 
== category problem ==


Hi Carlos,
Hi Carlos,
Thank you for fixing my "category" problem. I read your reply to my post and I understand what happened and how to avoid this error in the future. -[[user:Spartlan|Susan]] 17:13, 5 November 2014
== Localization of Main Page ==
Hi, Carlos,
Many thanks for having moved Seasonal music to a separate page, I was able to generate the translation. Anyway, the two words 'Seasonal music', on top, remain in English.
Moreover, unlike all wikis, top part of the left pane also remain not translated :-(( [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 18:19, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
:Hi Claude, very good! The headers ("Seasonal music") can also be tweaked to receive a translation; I'm leaving in one hour for a week-long trip; when I'm back I'll have a look at it. Regarding the left menu, from items "Main page" to "Help", they are generated by an extension introduced by Max some time ago; I'm not sure how to add translations in this case. Perhaps the extension's documentation has something related to it. Cordialement, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 18:30, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
:Hi again, Claude. I haven't fixed the headers issue yet, but I have some good news for you: now the months on the Main page are translated, as you had asked me once. ;) —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 07:11, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
::Yesssss! Many thanks! I've also seen a template you modified today, which is called PostedOn and which exists since 2009. It is a good candidate to replace the bad-named NewWork template I delete each morning after 90 days, isn't it? Should I restore a 'PostedOn|same date as edition date' everywhere I deleted the 'NewWork' template (editions since 2006)? [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 15:41, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
:::Hi, I replied to you question on [[template talk:PostedOn]] (and at the forums, too!). Best, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 19:46, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
== Thank you! ==
Thank you Carlos, for your help! -[[user:Hdl|Huub]] 18:07, 9 December 2014
== merging text pages and so on ==
Carlos<br>
Good points both. I'll endeavour to remember to add explanations when I merge pages (which is not often).<br>
On the other point, I think the easiest thing is for me to contact the composer direct and solicit his view.<br>
[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] ([[User talk:Jamesgibb|talk]]) 11:42, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Haven't bothered to start a new subject.
The reason why I have uncapitalised something like A Marriage Blessing, even though it's clearly a title, is that it seems more sensible to follow the instructions for adding works to the letter, rather than to make exceptions. We could add to the instructions by saying that, if it's a title and not part of the text, then it can be capitalised. However, I think that would result in arguments from some of our more irritating contributors (and one in Texas springs immediately to mind!) arguing that it is up to them to decided what their works pages are called. I don't have a problem if they want to capitalise titles on their composer pages but I think if we leave the capitalisation decision to the contributors, we are going get a randomised mess, which will corrupt the sorting of titles on, say, the text pages. Another possible advantage of keeping it simple and consistent is that contributors will tend to pick up good habits and give less work to the editors. My impression is that, since I tidied up the Latin and English text pages a year or so back, more contributors are checking whether their text already exists and adding a {{tl|LinkText}}.
So that's why. I agree that it will make little or no difference to how a title like A Marriage Blessing is sorted, though. Happy to change if the consensus is that titles should be left as they are.
On the second point, what does not creating a redirect link to the the pages that are linked to the original page? Does it automatically link the composer page and, say, links to things like carol books, for example?<br>
[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] ([[User talk:Jamesgibb|talk]]) 12:01, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
:Hi James,
:Thank you for taking the time to explain your thoughts. I imagined that the capitalization of song titles in English followed some general rules, more or less like those found at the [[w:Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters#Composition titles|Wikipedia:Manual of Style]]. But in fact, on CPDL's guidelines, editors are encouraged to follow the same simple rule that you are applying to titles. If we consider the arguments cited by you above, this is probably the best thing to do for the moment. Let's not complicate things unnecessarily. :)
:Sorry, I'm not sure I understood your question, but will try to reply to you: if you don't keep the redirect when moving a title, pages that were linked to the old title will still point to it, even after it's deleted. You'll have to check ("what links here") and correct manually, as usual. The only advantage is that not creating a redirect will avoid you the extra step of having to delete it later.
:Happy holidays and all the best. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 16:01, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
Yes, you have understood my question, at least, your answer explains this very well. But what you suggest will save at least one unnecessary delete. Thanks very much, Carlos, and have a good holiday. Just picked up my son from Heathrow, so we have the whole family together, which is good.<br.
[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] ([[User talk:Jamesgibb|talk]]) 16:34, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
== Redirects and own contributions ==
Happy new year, Carlos!
I think one problem with not keeping the redirect when moving pages is that it's possible to lose links to the old page. It doesn't matter if it's the composer page, or the lyricist page, since they are easy enough to check. However, if there is a link to something like a carol book, that does not seem to be transferred to the new page. Given that it's not that much extra work to delete the redirect page after checking for links, I've gone on doing that.
:Happy new year, James!
:In fact you can check links to a page even after it's deleted, that's why I suggested to move pages without keeping the old title, if you intend to delete it later. You're still supposed to click on the old title (now deleted) and check any pages that link to it in order to correct them manually (except those from automated listings).
Another point. After discussion with one of our contributors, I've (slightly reluctantly, since I think the disputed page is an arrangement, not an original composition) agreed to reinstate the deleted page. Before when this has been necessary, I've done it via the Recent Changes page but, because there has been so much site activity over the last few days, the relevant link is more that 500 items ago. The relevant deletion was either on the 30th or 29th December. Question: how do I access my own activity, rather than everyone's?<br>
[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] ([[User talk:Jamesgibb|talk]]) 18:38, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
:About last question, see [[Special:Contributions/Jamesgibb|your contributions page]]. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 11:59, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
::Thanks, Claude, for adding the link, I'm still away from home and checking the Internet from time to time only. In this case, I think that the deletion log will be more useful for James: [[Special:Log/delete]].
::James, note that in both cases you can narrow down the search by specifying a year/month, title etc. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 16:50, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
:::...and check [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&hideminor=1 the 'Hide minor edits' box ] I produce many of them ;-) [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 17:06, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
== Navigation through archive pages ==
Hi, Carlos, Thanks for having tweaked my archive talk pages to navigate easily between them. I wish you the best for 2015. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 07:57, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
:Thank you, Claude! May it be a good year for all of us! —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 19:12, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
== Latest contributions ==
Carlos,
two of my latest contributions have not shown up in the Most recent scores tablet on the welcome page. It concerns my Tantum ergo and my Tristis est anima mea. Could you fix that please?
Best regards,
jenskklimek
: Hi, Jens. Thank you for your contributions on CPDL. I saw that, after the last translation paragraph, two mandatory categories were missing (they were in the part to cut and paste from addwork form): especially the 'Sheet music' category. I've just corrected one of your contributions (Tristis) and I'm going to correct the second one. Glad to help you. [Edit: but I'm unable to see what is the problem for the second one (Tantum). Carlos?] [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 16:09, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
::Hello Jens! Claude was faster than me in correcting your ''Tristis est'' (thanks, Claude!); as he already explained, those two categories at the end of the page are required for a new edition to be listed on the Main page. In the case of your ''Tantum ergo'', it was posted on Jan 17 but I only noticed that the cited categories were missing on Jan 29 (i.e., after the 10 days period had passed in which a work is displayed on the Main page). I just advanced the "posted date" to today so that your work will finally be displayed on the Lastest scores list, but after the 10 days period is over I suggest that we return the posting date to its original value. Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 20:00, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
== Tony Kline ==
Sorry Carlos. Hadn't seen your reply, even though the page was apparently on my watch list. (I've noticed this with other pages that I thought I was automatically watching recently, so perhaps I'm just watching too many pages an need to purge things.)
:No problem, James, that's what I supposed that had happened. :)
I think I saw what i was doing as a mere temporary solution, while I was restoring some sense of order to the Petrarch pages, since I agree that he is not a lyricist. However, I think we do need to find some way of automatically listing the works of (significant) translators, if this is not too difficult. If that is not possible. then I agree that manual construction may be the only other way. I'll stop treating him as a lyricist from now on, but won't remove the ones I've done so far, since at least the bogus lyricist page will be useful if we (=I) have to resort to a manual solution (and also for purging the lyricist references on pages where the link is).<br>
[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] ([[User talk:Jamesgibb|talk]]) 08:10, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
:I'm already thinking of a way to automate translator's listings, your feedback will be appreciated after I come up with a prototype. On a related subject, I've implemented a new template named {{tl|Alias}} that is called from inside of {{tl|Lyricist}}. It allows us to write e.g. {{tl|Lyricist|Petrarch}} and still link to the correct lyricist page. Let me know if you remember other useful aliases to be added to the list. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 19:01, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Just catching up after flying back from Italy, Carlos.
I'll have a think about other possible aliases. Of course, it sometimes applies to some composers as well, but, in a way, I think that's not much of a problem, unless the composer is very obscure, since the surname usually remains the same.<br>
[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] ([[User talk:Jamesgibb|talk]]) 08:27, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
== Thanks a lot! ==
Hi Carlos, thank you for your kind welcome and well met to you!
I am glad that my choral arrangements and my editions are available online.
I am going to upload others soon.
Best regards, Francesco.
[[User:Fraspi|Fraspi]] ([[User talk:Fraspi|talk]]) 10:33, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
== TextAutolist ==
Thanks, Carlos. That sounds a really useful addition, since it solves a problem that I was aware of, but had no idea how to solve. I won't, of course, remove the template - it needs to be there to catch future problems - but I will ensure that the missed items are correctly linked to the text page when I come across it.local
I haven't had any time to spend on CPDL work since we got back from Italy last week. Unfortunately, one of the local (non-musical) societies that I work for has had a bit of a crisis with a large event they are organizing at the beginning of March, so I've had to pick up the pieces. With luck, everything will be back under control by the middle of next week.<br>
[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] ([[User talk:Jamesgibb|talk]]) 18:19, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
== What's with all the Category manipulations and deletions? ==
Hi Carlos.  I see that now you are mass deleting a whole bunch of (text) categories.  What is going on?  The way that things have been progressing lately, it is difficult to know what is going on, and I'd like to be kept in the loop with what you have in mind.  It seems as if, more and more, things are done pretty much without informing other interested members of the user interaction and the maintenance and improvement groups that originally existed.  In the future, could massive changes such as I'm seeing these days be discussed at the forums?  Thanks in advance! &nbsp; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 05:34, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
:Hi Chuck, sorry if you were caught by surprise. As you are one of the editors of {{tl|LinkText}}, I supposed that you had been notified of the recent activity at its [[template talk:LinkText#Recent changes|discussion page]] too, where my last changes to the template were explained. Basically, these changes eliminated the need for text categories, and the ones deleted by me yesterday were already empty. Edmund Gooch and Claude, who were the two editors most involved in the creation of these categories, had been informed by me, but I'll remember to also leave a note at the forums too, next time.
:And since we're at it: I am planning to make a similar change to the {{tl|Lyricist}} and {{tl|LyricistSettingsList}} templates, in order to avoid the creation of lyricist categories (the ones found in [[:category:Lyricist works categories]]. Those categories are currently only used by these two templates. Would you have any objection? Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 15:20, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
:: Thanks, Carlos.  I understand now!  It makes sense, and your workaround is good.  Sorry to have bugged you about it! &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 01:02, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
== [[Adoramus te, Christe (Orlando di Lasso)]] ==
Hi Carlos,
Don't you think it's a little premature to remove the cleanup tag? We have a broken link to an unidentified piece and no dab for the 4-part settings or the third 3-parter. Roman numerals are a matter of taste, though unavoidable when dealing with the 1604 print. [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 05:57, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
:Hi Richard. From my experience with disambiguation pages, they are supposed to be as simple and "clean" as possible; links to the works available on CPDL are usually enough. I'm not against adding a comprehensive list of all possible settings by a specific composer, but this is not its main purpose. Information about voicings, broken links etc. also don't belong there. That's why I can't see the need for marking disambiguation pages for clean-up (the cleanup tag was [http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Adoramus_te,_Christe_(Orlando_di_Lasso)&diff=530674&oldid=530672 broken], by the way). If you added the tag as a reminder for yourself, then I suggest instead the creation of a "To-do" section on your editor page to keep track of such cases.
:Regarding the Roman numerals, I agree with you that they are a matter of taste, but if I'm not mistaken, we've been using Arabic numerals in indices of Music publications. On disambiguation pages I favor the Arabic over the Roman, again, for its greater simplicity (thinking from the point of view of CPDL visitors), but if you prefer it the other way around I won't object. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 16:10, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
== Talk Pages ==
Hi Carlos. Thanks for your note. Clearly an error on my part, so I'll be more careful in future.
On the question of leaving multiple redirects, partly the reason I remove them is my programming history. Many years ago when I was running overlaid Fortran vehicle-scheduling programs on 25K of core, getting rid of redundancies was essential, so I've tended to do that without thinking although, clearly, space is no longer a problem. Another reason why I've tended to remove the old page is that, if one does a search on the title, both pages will appear. This is not a problem if there are only a few pages with that title, but has unnecessary redundancies if there are more than 7 or 8. On the point you make about the original editor having difficulty finding their work if the title is uncapitalised, I don't think too much of a problem, since they can find it via the composer page or the text page (if that exists). The search box ignores capitalisation anyway. So, on the whole, I'd prefer to tidy, since it makes the search box more useful. I don't know whether things work differently on IMSLP as regards searches. On the whole, I've found that a less user-friendly site when I have used it.
On the changes you've made identifying works which refer to the text page but appear not to be in the manual list, that has proved really useful for completing the text pages. When I've come across pages with missing items, I've tidied them up, either by adding the missing items or by sorting out items where the works page has been renamed for some reason. I've only come across one issue, with a new edition of O vos omnes which was added yesterday. Since the O vos omnes text page is one with automatic, rather than manual, listing, the added version appears twice. I suppose we could remove the automatic listing and then I could create the manual listing, which I don't mind doing, provided there aren't too many such pages! What do you think?<br>
[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] ([[User talk:Jamesgibb|talk]]) 11:39, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
:Hi James. I agree with you that redirects appearing on the search box are sometimes confusing. If I'm not mistaken, search settings can be changed in order to discard redirects (even though sometimes they are useful). IMSLP avoids this problem by using a different search engine based on Google's search engine. With regard to the broken links potentially created by deleted pages, I was referring to the situation when someone sends a link to a friend via email, or posts a CPDL work on Facebook, and so on. If that work is renamed soon after (as it often happens with new contributions), people clicking on these links will land on a CPDL page with an error ("This page was deleted on ... by ..."), and that's not good, in my view.
:You've been doing a great work with text pages! I'm glad that {{tl|TextAutoList}} proved itself to be useful for this task. It was added by mistake to ''O vos omnes'', as it's not supposed to be used on the same page with {{tl|TextPageList}}; I've just removed it. But if you decide to create a manual list, then please reinstate it. Thanks! —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 16:50, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
== Extra blank line in Text template ==
Hi Carlos.  The reason for my removing the linebreak inside the Text template is illustrated by the following code (try it yourself by removing the pre environment and preview the result to see an unacceptable extra blank line):
<pre>
{{text|English|
one
two}}
Some text
{{text|English|
one
two
}}
Some text
{{text|English|
one
two}}Other text
{{text|English|
one
two
}}Other text
</pre>
Do you see the formatting problem? As it stands, the extra blank line after the invocation of Text with a linebreak at the end of the text passed to the template is not acceptable behavior.  If you want to modify the Text template so that anomaly doesn't happen, then go ahead.  One other point, I have a problem with situations in which it would be nice to "escape" the poem environment, which cannot happen using the <nowiki>{{#tag:poem|{{{2}}}}}</nowiki> method, but it can be done if one uses <nowiki><poem>{{{2}}}</poem></nowiki> to process the text parameter poetically. &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 02:36, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
:Hi Chuck, you're right! It looks way better without the extra line; I'll remember to use this syntax in my future edits. I removed a line break from inside the Text template that could be causing this difference, but nothing changed in the output.
:Regarding the other point you cite, if I understood it correctly, you suggest that we use the <nowiki><poem></nowiki> tags inside the template instead of <nowiki>{{#tag:poem}}</nowiki>, right? I see what you had in mind with this change (having the possibility of using <nowiki></poem>...<poem></nowiki> anywhere inside of a formatted text), but unfortunately it's not possible, poem tags don't work properly when inside a template. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 03:59, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
::Hi again Carlos. Oh, that's too bad the <nowiki></poem>...<poem></nowiki> inside won't work.  I wonder if the the <nowiki><p>...</p></nowiki> in the template is causing the linebreak problem, but haven't had time to check.  Maybe a flag "nopoem" could be passed as a parameter to avoid using the poem environment altogether, for situations where more delicate formatting might be desired? Best wishes! &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 05:33, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
:::Chuck, for these more delicate situations, why not use the "old" syntax? (e.g. {{tl|Text|Latin}} and text below it formatted as you like it.) Creating a nopoem parameter is possible, but wouldn't we be complicating unnecessarily a template that was originally so simple? —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 16:16, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
::Hi, both. It's not clear for me. Did you choose both the same option? A break before the two curly brackets, or not? [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 10:48, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
:::Hi Claude, I will follow Chuck's suggestion illustrated in the first of his four examples above. But I suggest that we continue keeping a blank line between templates (in the case of multiple translations). —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 16:16, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
::::Hi Claude (and Carlos).  The following
<pre>{{Text|English|
Let all the people sing,
for soon it will be Spring.}}Anonymous.</pre>
::::produces (after the flag and "English text" header):
<poem>Let all the people sing,
for soon it will be Spring.</poem>
Anonymous.
::::However,
<pre>{{Text|English|
Let all the people sing,
for soon it will be Spring.
}}Anonymous.</pre>
::::produces an extra blank line:
<poem>Let all the people sing,
for soon it will be Spring.</poem>
Anonymous.
::::The extra blank line spoils formatting, especially inside tables, but also for any following material (such as including the poetic source after the Text template). &ndash; [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 16:38, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
==  Archivo repetido cuando subo una nueva versión ==
Hola Carlos,
¿podrías ayudarme?
He intentado subir (upload) una nueva y mejor versión de este archivo "Victoria-Magnificat_primi_toni_all.pdf", pero cuando quiero ver el archivo nuevo, aparece el antiguo (appears the old file). Este procedimiento lo he repetido dos veces y sigo viendo el archivo anterior, nunca el nuevo. También lo he intentado subiéndolo como un archivo nuevo, pero me avisa de que el archivo está repetido (duplicated file).
Además, el archivo antiguo está asociado a esta página: "http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Magnificat_Primi_Toni_in_Fm_(all)_with_organ_(Tom%C3%A1s_Luis_de_Victoria)&action=edit&redlink=1" , aunque ha sido borrada por otro contributor  (has been erased by another contributor) y no hay contenidos, aunque el link funciona y el link a mi archivo también.
Me gustaría poder hacer los siguiente (I'd like to try the following issues):
* borrar el archivo antiguo (erase the old file)
* subir el archivo nuevo y visualizarlo (upload the new file and see it)
* pegar el código a esta página: [[Magnificat Primi Toni (all) (Tomás Luis de Victoria)]] (paste the code from new file into the that page)
* borrar esta página: [[Magnificat Primi Toni in Fm (all) with organ (Tomás Luis de Victoria)]] (erase that page)
muito obrigado --[[user:Bemolita|Bemolita]] 15:41, 31 March 2015‎
----
Gracias Carlos!
Tenías razón. Era una cuestión de caché del navegador y ya puedo ver el archivo nuevo. Además he podido añadir un archivo midi.
Ya sólo me quedan por solucionar dos cuestiones:
* borrar los archivos antiguos
* borrar este link que aparece en la página del compositor: [[Magnificat Primi Toni in Fm (all) with organ (Tomás Luis de Victoria)]]
porque los archivos ya pueden verse en el link correcto del Magnificat primi toni (all)
muito obrigado! --[[user:Bemolita|Bemolita]] 21:35, 1 April 2015‎
== Lyricist template ==
Carlos, would it be worth adding "|cols=2" to the LyricistSettingslist template, so that the list is automatically shown in two columns? That makes better use of the screen when there is a long list. I've been making some changes by hand, but it struck me that it might be sensible to have it done automatically, whenever a new lyricist page is set up.<br>
[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] ([[User talk:Jamesgibb|talk]]) 12:32, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
:Sure James, no problem! I was also considering to make two columns the default display for this template. Best, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 14:07, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
:James, I came up with a compromise: if there are more than 10 results, the template automatically shifts to two columns. Do you think that 10 is a good number, or do you prefer a smaller one? —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 15:09, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
== Changes noticed when adding works ==
Carlos, I been adding quite a few works from Schutz's Cantiones Sacrae recently and have noticed a couple of oddities.<br>
1. When adding a new work, the files are not longer automatically added to the listing on the Composer page. I've been adding them manually, but perhaps a decision has been taken not to include them on the composer page, since they are obviously available on the works page itself.<br>
2. When adding a new edition, the Editions template is no longer automatically added against the listing. Again, I've been adding it manually.
This may be a issue specific to the Schutz composer page, or something more general.
By the way, thanks for reminding me about indenting on the Talk pages. I agree that it makes conversations easier to follow.
[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] ([[User talk:Jamesgibb|talk]]) 14:13, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
:Hi James, (1.) there's [http://forums.cpdl.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=6922 an ongoing discussion] on the forums about adopting Max's automation solution, and it involves the removal of future works links from composer pages (something which I enthusiastically agree with), as well as (2.) edition counts (at least, until we have a way of displaying this info automatically).
:Best, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 20:32, 10 April 2015 (UTC)


Thanks. I now, somewhat belatedly, grasp the point! I've removed the file links that I've added to the Schutz page and I'll go on adding the edition template by hand where necessary. I think my skill level won't add anything to the discussion, but I need to get a bit more disciplined about checking the discussion pages regularly.[[User:Jamesgibb|Jamesgibb]] ([[User talk:Jamesgibb|talk]]) 09:26, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Just wanting to confirm that [[Ma bouche rit (Johannes Ockeghem)]] is a withdrawn edition, File:Ma bouche rit.pdf being a somewhat ambiguous filename which seems not to have been replaced. Cheers, [[User:Richard Mix|Richard Mix]] ([[User talk:Richard Mix|talk]]) 21:26, 24 June 2021 (UTC)


== Thanks! ==
:Hi Richard! I'm a bit puzzled by this situation... why did I delete the files and keep the edition unchanged? That's strange indeed. I found Benjamin Stone's withdrawal request at the forums: [http://forums.cpdl.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8706&p=23289]. Maybe I was in a hurry at the moment and just plain forgot to return to this matter later. I just removed the links from the edition, thanks for bringing this to my attention.  —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 15:54, 26 June 2021 (UTC)


Bon dia, Carlos! In the 1st week of April I put on CPDL a setting for a Welsh Hymn "Llef (O Jesu Mawr)". You kindly edited the entry. But when I search, it comes up under 'Subjects written in Welsh' and under 'Organ accompaniment' but not under 'Hymn tunes' or 'Hymn settings'. Can you help / advise?  PS We know Portugal well - lived near Lisbon 1974-6 (during the Revolution!) and in Coimbra 1987-8.  —[[user:Roddywalters|Roddywalters]] 11:34, 12 April 2015‎
== Missing form and uploads ==


Bom dia, Carlos! Muito obrigado pela sua ajuda. I can now find my setting of the Welsh hymn tune 'Llef (O Jesu Mawr)'under the search term 'Hymn'. Is it possible also to contrive to find it under the search term 'Hymn Setting'?? The reason for my request is that hymn-singing is a strong Welsh tradition, stemming from the non-conformist churches that used to abound in every village & town throughout Wales and I anticipate that there are Welsh emigrant communities living across the world who will be interested in singing it  - perhaps I have not made it clear that typically it is going to be sung by congregation rather than choir - the SATB harmonies are all straightforward being more or less as originally written by Gutyn Arfon; it is the organ intro and accompaniment that provides the 'setting'. —[[user:Roddywalters|Roddywalters]] 09:11, 14 April 2015
Hi Carlos: I'm afraid that I have botched something somewhere, though maybe with the help of a technical glitch.  


== Thanks from Alistair Kirk ==
Yesterday (19 July 2021) I tried to add a new score ("Blow, winds of God") to my list. I opened up the Add Work Form, made some of the preliminary entries, and moved to upload (1) a pdf file ("Blow, winds of God.pdf") and (2) a Finale file ("Blow, winds of God.musX"). I then returned to the Add Work Form, completed it and submitted it.


Thanks for tidying up after my first attempt at uploading!  I've got a better idea what's required now. --[[user:AlistairKirk|AlistairKirk]] 17:47, 29 April 2015‎
At once I received two error messages, first the old one which claims that <charles.david.cameron@gmail.com> isn't a valid address, adding this time that my name was wrong too; and then a message that the system had stalled, and might be available later. I copied this material and sent it to all of you admins, as you know.


[Edited to add:  except I just realised I put this reply in the wrong place! Oh well... sorry!] --[[user:AlistairKirk|AlistairKirk]] 17:49, 29 April 2015‎
Today I can't find anything from yesterday; no uploads, no incomplete Add Work Form, not even my report (I suspect that I'm looking in the wrong place).
How much you admins. must shudder at the technical illiteracy of us computer users who don't understand anything under the hood--I'm sorry!


:That's fine! You may reply here or on your own talk page; it's just easier to understand a longer thread when everything is on a  single place. ;)
But I have no idea how to proceed now, and I do want to post the piece. Thanks in advance for your help.
:Just remember to add four tildes <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> at the end of your messages. They are converted into a standard signature. Best, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[File:Email.gif|link=User talk:Carlos]] 18:11, 29 April 2015 (UTC)


== Confusion cofounded ==
[[User:David Cameron|David Cameron]] ([[User talk:David Cameron|talk]]) 15:47, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
:Hi, David, thanks for your contributions! I suppose that you're known here under an email address at queensu.ca. Your two files are already present on our servers. Please fill the AddWork form as yesterday, using your previous address. (I haven't received any mail yesterday). By the way, you could spare a bit of my time uploading an MXL (compressed MusicXML) file in lieu of the .musx one, to allow users using MuseScore, Sibelius or Capella to use your file. [[User:Claude T|Claude]] ([[User talk:Claude T|talk]]) 16:43, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


Carlos, thanks for your help. It's taking a while to sort out, but this is just the WIKI learning curve!
::Hello guys, sorry for the belated reply. David, I see that you've managed to create a page for [[Blow, winds of God (David Cameron)|Blow, winds of God]] already, with Claude's gracious help. Way to go! —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 19:54, 28 July 2021 (UTC)


There's an incorrect attribution on my USER CONTRIBUTIONS page. Dated 30 Nov., 2006, there are three .pdf files, and a Finale file, of Bach's Nun komm chorale. These are not mine--Joachim Kelecom edited and uploaded them.
== Brazilian sacred publications ==


Similarly, I'm credited with Certon's Mon pere my veult, posted on 23 February, 2011. This also is by Joachim Kelecom.
Hi Carlos!


Apart from these, my USER CONTRIBUTION page shows 11 files marked CURRENT. One of these, Schutz' O Herr hilf, doesn't appear in the list of my choral works at http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/David_Cameron (I had forgotten posting it, long ago!)
I have been trying to help [[User:Catuí Côrte-Real Suarez]] with three publications, including [[Harpa de Sião]], [[Cecília]], and [[Magnificat, coletânea de cantos litúrgicos]]. But I have run into some difficulty with a recently-created publication, [[Harpa de Sião: suplemento]] – I don't have access to early editions of this book, apparently very popular in Brasil. I feel like the two pages for ''Harpa de Sião'' should be one page, but I don't know how to combine them: the situation with all the editions is a mystery to me. Do you have suggestions? — [[User:BarryJ|Barry Johnston]] [[User talk:BarryJ|(talk)]] 16:43, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
:Hi Barry! A belated Happy New Year! :) I need to get acquainted with this subject first, will inform you about whatever I find, ok? Regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 16:35, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks Carlos! And a belated Happy New Year to you. Sounds good, I will wait to see what you find. — [[User:BarryJ|Barry Johnston]] [[User talk:BarryJ|(talk)]] 18:50, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
:::Hi again, Barry. From what I could see, the [[Harpa de Sião: suplemento|supplement]] could very well be on the same page of the main publication. Note that this was done at [[IMSLP: Harpa de Sião (Lehmann, Padre João Baptista)]]. We could maybe create a new section and move the supplement under it, what do you think? I'm still in doubt if this supplement belongs to the 1st or 3rd edition, so I wrote Catuí asking for clarification. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 01:12, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
::::Hi Barry, I talked with Catuí and he explained to me that the Supplement is an independent book; that was the reason why he put it on a separate page. But he wouldn't mind if the pages are eventually merged. —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 00:12, 20 January 2023 (UTC)


Somehow, I'd like to get a comprehensive picture the connects my biography, and everything that I've posted. I know that my own inadvertence has caused this confusion, but I'm not sure where to start to sort it out. Any further help would be much appreciated.
== Pone luctum ==


David
Christ is risen! I would like to ask about the real Composer of tune "Pone luctum, sume vestem", if he is known? There are two persons with the same last name "Mohr", but with different first names: Joseph Franz and Joseph Hermann. Both of them are born after 1750, when probably the tune was composed and can't be a Composer of this tune. Joseph Franz Mohr was text author of some Hymns, but Joseph Hermann Mohr was known as composer of many Latin Hymns (tunes). In edited of Hermann Mohr "Cantiones Sacrae" in 1878 there is his arranged hymn "Pone luctum, sume vestem" under nr. 71 on the page 170 of downloadable PDF file: https://ia801605.us.archive.org/12/items/cantionessacrae00mohrgoog/cantionessacrae00mohrgoog.pdf That arrangement is different from the present edition of Rev. Abel Di Marco on CPDL page, where as Composer is indicated Joseph Franz Mohr. The same harmonization is on the page of "Cappella Gregoriana" of Rev. Abel Di Marco, but with alternative file: https://cappellagregoriana.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pone-luctum.pdf , where is indicated a Composer J. B. C. Schmidts and arranger Joseph Hermann Mohr. However that version is different from Joseph Hermann Mohr's arrangement in "Cantiones Sacrae". To whom belong the harmonization, edited by Rev. Abel Di Marco?? Is it his proper harmonization? I think that it is a misattribution of Composer name to Joseph Franz Mohr, as we have indication of harmonizer Joseph Hermann Mohr. The real Composer of tune may be remain unknown!?! [[User:Andris Solims|Andris Solims]] ([[User talk:Andris Solims|talk]]) 14:14, 3 May 2023 (UTC)Andris Solims
:Hello Mr Solims! Sorry that I can't be of any help to you on this, my knowledge on the subject is quite limited. Kind regards, —[[User:Carlos|Carlos]] [[User talk:Carlos|(talk)]] 01:34, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

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Add New Work form – Instruments

Hi Carlos, A few minutes ago I used the Add New Work form to create Sharon (James P. Carrell). Since it is an a cappella work, I entered that in the Instruments blank. But when I got to the page, there was an error message across the top, about a missing ) in a Multireplace.php program. The page was created correctly, except Instruments was blank. I tried inserting A cappella in the Instruments template, but it didn't work, I got the same message. I managed to get around it by typing '''Instruments:'''{{Acap}}, which gave the same result, it appears (the page was added to Category:A cappella). By the way, I looked at Template:Instruments and noticed that it was editable by me; it should be protected, right? (I did not edit it). Anyway, I thought you should know that this happened. Best to you — Barry Johnston (talk) 04:52, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Barry, thanks for informing me of this. The problem with template: Instruments seems to be gone, it was just a test by Richard Mix that didn't work out as expected. Regards, —Carlos (talk) 17:50, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Monteverdi Magnificat Secondo edition

Hi Carlos: After a long period of neglect, someone reminded me that my edition of the Monteverdi Magnificat Secondo is missing a verse. Its CPDL number is 26082. I have tried today to upload a complete version--but each time I've tried, the result is still incomplete--on CPDL, that is, but not on my computer. The initial correct upload is

What might I be doing wrong?

Thanks.

David Cameron David Cameron (talk) 19:43, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

I hadn't given it enough time--seems to be OK now. Sorry to bother you! David Cameron (talk) 19:43, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi David, no problem. Yes, it's usually just a browser cache issue. Thanks again for this wonderful edition! :) —Carlos (talk) 18:25, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

apostrophes in Category names?

Hi Carlos, I got an error message after creating St. Peter's Chains and for the moment have temporarily renamed it. Is there a workaround? Richard Mix (talk) 23:03, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Richard, what kind of error did you get? I could open the category normally and saw that there is a work already listed in it. —Carlos (talk) 20:00, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
I wasn't too clear: when I created St. Peter's Chains that page looked OK but Category:Sacred music by by season wouldn't load. I've forgotten the exact message but it said something about consulting a manual. Richard Mix (talk) 22:05, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
If you move back Chains of St. Peter or else put back the Cat:Sacred by season on St. Peter's Chains you may be able to see what I mean. I didn't want to leave it as it was with the whole Sacred music by season shut down. Richard Mix (talk) 01:36, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi Richard, the problem lies inside the DPL code that was in the category header of Sacred music by season. For the moment I moved that code to ChoralWiki:Sacred music by season and will see what can be done to fix it. Regards, —Carlos (talk) 03:46, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Bug in template PostedOn

Hi Carlos. I think your 'localizing' the month changes to PostedOn have resulted in an error. Today (October 26th), PostedOn lists my score A Hymn for St Cecilia (Charles H. Giffen), but the score was posted on September 26th, not October 26th. The problem is that I also posted editions for the instrumental parts on October 1st, and that seems to have fooled the template PostedOn, which looks at the posting day (26) for one edition and the month (10) for another edition and decides that a score was posted on 10-26. I only noticed this because today my work is listed at the beginning of the works posted for today (2018-10-26), since it is first alphabetically. Here is the result of {{PostedOn|2018-10-26}} (which will probably only be valid for today (or perhaps until the end of the month?).

I'm hesitant to revert your changes, since I'm busy enough today that I won't have time to test any reversion. Could you check into the problem? Thanks. See you Sunday for the Board meeting!! -- Chucktalk Giffen♫ 15:47, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Chuck. You're right, the template tests for the day and the month separately, as far as I can remember. That could potentially give the results you cite, in that very specific situation. There's certainly room for improvement! I'll have a look at it as soon as I can, but feel free to make any corrections if you already envision a solution for it. Regards, —Carlos (talk) 17:23, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi again. I've implemented a new system that seems to be working correctly. Thanks for spotting the error! —Carlos (talk) 14:49, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Statistics of downloads of contributed works

Dear Carlos,

I was wondering if it were possible for me to see some statistics (downloads etc) of my contributions? I get the occasional question from a user who took the effort to find my contact, but that doesn't give much information.

Grateful for your advice.

Wim Looyestijn (wim.looyestijn@planet.nl)Wim Looyestijn (talk) 07:37, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi Wim, unfortunately we don't have that feature on CPDL, sorry! —Carlos (talk) 16:27, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Status 'incompleted'

Hi Carlos,

Thanks for catching Category:Requests Available at IMSLP! To answer this question, The Oratorio is available only in excerpts on CPDL, but complete at IMSLP. In decluttering Category:Requested, I've hesitated in some cases where it seems desirable to me to have the complete work available in the future, or where I myself might prefer a different format. Richard Mix (talk) 01:09, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Richard! I noticed that you've been doing a great work in sorting out the requests, way to go! Regarding the completeness of a request, I'm of the opinion that it's 'complete' whenever a page for that work is created on CPDL. If for any reason the editions available here do not cover the whole of the request and IMSLP has a complete edition, that could be informed at the works page, with a link under the "External links" section. This way we'll be helping anyone visiting the works page, not just someone eventually consulting the request page. Regards, —Carlos (talk) 01:24, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Fair enough as a traffic directing strategy; how would one have dealt with Request:Agnus Dei from Missa L'homme armé (Guillaume Dufay)? I guess I've used Template:IncompleteEdition before as a sort of request on my own behalf, but no one has ever taken the hint ;-) Richard Mix (talk) 01:49, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Does IMSLP have the complete work? If so, a link to it could be added at the works page. Additionally, a note can be added at the request page informing this. Anyway, three movements is already better than nothing :) (thanks for the new edition, BTW!) —Carlos (talk) 02:12, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Internet links within Template braces

Hi Carlos! I am working though a lot of work pages, and along the way trying to update '''External websites:''' <text> to {{ExtWeb|<text>}}. I find that I am unable to embed certain urls within the braces; neither can I embed thinks like {{IMSLP2|<IMSPL page>}}. I can't seem to find a character that would cause a problem, but I haven't yet checked all strings of characters. I have discovered that I can put the url within double brackets ([[<url>]]) as a workaround, but that seems like a lot of work, and looks strange. Examples at Ach Gott, wem soll ichs klagen (Wolfgang Grefinger) and Ala guerra, ala guerra (Bartolomeo Tromboncino). Do you have any suggestions?

Or maybe I should write code for Template:{{ExtWeb}} to take care of this situation? Thanks! — Barry Johnston (talk) 17:26, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Barry! I'm still trying to figure out what's the advantage of using this new template. As I understood it, it just encapsulates the text that is passed as parameter (in this case, one or more links). But why should we abandon a template such as IMSLP2, for instance, in favor of ExtWeb, as was done here? Sorry for asking, maybe you're planning some kind of automation that I'm not aware of, and this is just the first step of the process.
Regarding the technical problem you cite, the solution is simple, although not very elegant: if a parameter contains an equal sign, it causes the MediaWiki to think that everything before the = is a named parameter. To avoid it, we have to add ourselves a numbered parameter, as I did here by adding |1=. The <nowiki /> part corrects another known MediaWiki bug related to the display of bulleted lists inside templates. Regards, —Carlos (talk) 02:40, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Ma bouche rit

Hi Carlos,

Just wanting to confirm that Ma bouche rit (Johannes Ockeghem) is a withdrawn edition, File:Ma bouche rit.pdf being a somewhat ambiguous filename which seems not to have been replaced. Cheers, Richard Mix (talk) 21:26, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Richard! I'm a bit puzzled by this situation... why did I delete the files and keep the edition unchanged? That's strange indeed. I found Benjamin Stone's withdrawal request at the forums: [1]. Maybe I was in a hurry at the moment and just plain forgot to return to this matter later. I just removed the links from the edition, thanks for bringing this to my attention. —Carlos (talk) 15:54, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Missing form and uploads

Hi Carlos: I'm afraid that I have botched something somewhere, though maybe with the help of a technical glitch.

Yesterday (19 July 2021) I tried to add a new score ("Blow, winds of God") to my list. I opened up the Add Work Form, made some of the preliminary entries, and moved to upload (1) a pdf file ("Blow, winds of God.pdf") and (2) a Finale file ("Blow, winds of God.musX"). I then returned to the Add Work Form, completed it and submitted it.

At once I received two error messages, first the old one which claims that <charles.david.cameron@gmail.com> isn't a valid address, adding this time that my name was wrong too; and then a message that the system had stalled, and might be available later. I copied this material and sent it to all of you admins, as you know.

Today I can't find anything from yesterday; no uploads, no incomplete Add Work Form, not even my report (I suspect that I'm looking in the wrong place). How much you admins. must shudder at the technical illiteracy of us computer users who don't understand anything under the hood--I'm sorry!

But I have no idea how to proceed now, and I do want to post the piece. Thanks in advance for your help.

David Cameron (talk) 15:47, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi, David, thanks for your contributions! I suppose that you're known here under an email address at queensu.ca. Your two files are already present on our servers. Please fill the AddWork form as yesterday, using your previous address. (I haven't received any mail yesterday). By the way, you could spare a bit of my time uploading an MXL (compressed MusicXML) file in lieu of the .musx one, to allow users using MuseScore, Sibelius or Capella to use your file. Claude (talk) 16:43, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello guys, sorry for the belated reply. David, I see that you've managed to create a page for Blow, winds of God already, with Claude's gracious help. Way to go! —Carlos (talk) 19:54, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Brazilian sacred publications

Hi Carlos!

I have been trying to help User:Catuí Côrte-Real Suarez with three publications, including Harpa de Sião, Cecília, and Magnificat, coletânea de cantos litúrgicos. But I have run into some difficulty with a recently-created publication, Harpa de Sião: suplemento – I don't have access to early editions of this book, apparently very popular in Brasil. I feel like the two pages for Harpa de Sião should be one page, but I don't know how to combine them: the situation with all the editions is a mystery to me. Do you have suggestions? — Barry Johnston (talk) 16:43, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi Barry! A belated Happy New Year! :) I need to get acquainted with this subject first, will inform you about whatever I find, ok? Regards, —Carlos (talk) 16:35, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Thanks Carlos! And a belated Happy New Year to you. Sounds good, I will wait to see what you find. — Barry Johnston (talk) 18:50, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi again, Barry. From what I could see, the supplement could very well be on the same page of the main publication. Note that this was done at IMSLP: Harpa de Sião (Lehmann, Padre João Baptista). We could maybe create a new section and move the supplement under it, what do you think? I'm still in doubt if this supplement belongs to the 1st or 3rd edition, so I wrote Catuí asking for clarification. —Carlos (talk) 01:12, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi Barry, I talked with Catuí and he explained to me that the Supplement is an independent book; that was the reason why he put it on a separate page. But he wouldn't mind if the pages are eventually merged. —Carlos (talk) 00:12, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Pone luctum

Christ is risen! I would like to ask about the real Composer of tune "Pone luctum, sume vestem", if he is known? There are two persons with the same last name "Mohr", but with different first names: Joseph Franz and Joseph Hermann. Both of them are born after 1750, when probably the tune was composed and can't be a Composer of this tune. Joseph Franz Mohr was text author of some Hymns, but Joseph Hermann Mohr was known as composer of many Latin Hymns (tunes). In edited of Hermann Mohr "Cantiones Sacrae" in 1878 there is his arranged hymn "Pone luctum, sume vestem" under nr. 71 on the page 170 of downloadable PDF file: https://ia801605.us.archive.org/12/items/cantionessacrae00mohrgoog/cantionessacrae00mohrgoog.pdf That arrangement is different from the present edition of Rev. Abel Di Marco on CPDL page, where as Composer is indicated Joseph Franz Mohr. The same harmonization is on the page of "Cappella Gregoriana" of Rev. Abel Di Marco, but with alternative file: https://cappellagregoriana.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pone-luctum.pdf , where is indicated a Composer J. B. C. Schmidts and arranger Joseph Hermann Mohr. However that version is different from Joseph Hermann Mohr's arrangement in "Cantiones Sacrae". To whom belong the harmonization, edited by Rev. Abel Di Marco?? Is it his proper harmonization? I think that it is a misattribution of Composer name to Joseph Franz Mohr, as we have indication of harmonizer Joseph Hermann Mohr. The real Composer of tune may be remain unknown!?! Andris Solims (talk) 14:14, 3 May 2023 (UTC)Andris Solims

Hello Mr Solims! Sorry that I can't be of any help to you on this, my knowledge on the subject is quite limited. Kind regards, —Carlos (talk) 01:34, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
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